Offseason Discussion Thread - Page 4

BeerBaron · 02-08-2012, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Goosemahn

Lamarr Woodley has restructured his deal, lowering his base salary to the veteran minimum of $700,000. The money will be paid in close-to-equal parts over the remaining years of his contract.

The move clears about $6.5 million in cap space. It's being rumored Timmons is next in line for a similar restructure.

Heh, just keep shoving everything forward and deal with this same situation again in a few years.

Your defense is mostly old and most of the players need to go within the next year.

Steelers fans won't like it, but they need to face the sad reality that they're going to experience a time of rebuilding sooner rather than later.

zachsaints52 · 02-08-2012, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Rosebud

Yeah, but Porter would be great in Spags' man heavy scheme. Kid was built for it and a guy I desperately wanted the giants to give spags when he came out. Greer's a good corner, but porter could be amazing and if you retain him, have P-Rob keep progressing, Greer and work on that pass rush a little you could have an elite defense and be superbowl locks, even if Brees is the only offensive FA you keep, especially palying in your dome where Brees is going to be nasty even with a weaker OL and receiving corps.

Greer is by far our best corner, and probably our 3rd best FA signing in the past decade (Brees and now Sproles the others)

I just think he would command too much money, while he would be (at best) our 4th priority in the offseason. If he wanted like 3-4 mil, wouldn't be too bad. But I see someone giving him a Jason David type contract and not living up to it.

Mr. Goosemahn · 02-08-2012, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by zachsaints52

Is the money going to the other years guarenteed?

I believe it is. It's being called a late signing bonus.

Link for confirmation:
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4224/lamarr-woodley

zachsaints52 · 02-08-2012, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Goosemahn

I believe it is. It's being called a late signing bonus.

Link for confirmation:
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4224/lamarr-woodley

That wouldve been a very risky move if it wasn't.

BeerBaron · 02-08-2012, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by zachsaints52

Greer is by far our best corner, and probably our 3rd best FA signing in the past decade (Brees and now Sproles the others)

I just think he would command too much money, while he would be (at best) our 4th priority in the offseason. If he wanted like 3-4 mil, wouldn't be too bad. But I see someone giving him a Jason David type contract and not living up to it.

Easily one of the worst signings ever. EVER.

Mr. Goosemahn · 02-08-2012, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron

Heh, just keep shoving everything forward and deal with this same situation again in a few years.

Your defense is mostly old and most of the players need to go within the next year.

Steelers fans won't like it, but they need to face the sad reality that they're going to experience a time of rebuilding sooner rather than later.

I think this is LeBeau's last year, so they're keeping his guys for one more year.

After that, rebuild. I don't think it'll be as complicated as people think. Two offseasons should do it. We already have the two DEs, two (maybe three, depending on Worilds) of the LBs, and a bunch of young CBs (Keenan Lewis, Curtis Brown, Cortez Allen).

I'm hoping for Burfict and Chapman this year, and safeties the next. Also a FA somewhere.

BeerBaron · 02-08-2012, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Goosemahn

I think this is LeBeau's last year, so they're keeping his guys for one more year.

After that, rebuild. I don't think it'll be as complicated as people think. Two offseasons should do it. We already have the two DEs, two (maybe three, depending on Worilds) of the LBs, and a bunch of young CBs (Keenan Lewis, Curtis Brown, Cortez Allen).

I'm hoping for Burfict and Chapman this year, and safeties the next. Also a FA somewhere.

That's two too many for the Steeler fans I know. That 7-9 season a few years back nearly killed them. It's a spoiled fanbase that can't comprehend losing seasons. Hell, just losing in the Wildcard round this year had them on the ledge.

Also, Burfict? On the Steelers? I think they're more likely to draft your or I than they ever would be to touch someone like Burfict. Freakishly talented, certainly, but they've already got the NFL breathing down their neck for the hits Harrison puts on people. Burfict blowing a guy up or throwing a punch after the play would be tolerated for all of about 10 seconds.

Rosebud · 02-08-2012, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by zachsaints52

Greer is by far our best corner, and probably our 3rd best FA signing in the past decade (Brees and now Sproles the others)

I just think he would command too much money, while he would be (at best) our 4th priority in the offseason. If he wanted like 3-4 mil, wouldn't be too bad. But I see someone giving him a Jason David type contract and not living up to it.

Don't have to sell me on Greer, loved the guy when he played for the Bills, just think that Spags could turn Porter into an even better corner than Greer, and if Robinson keeps growing as well that's a trio that can be as good as any in the NFC. Give Spags corners like that and you won't need Colston or Meachum.

Hell, I think the Saints should just sign Brees and Porter, let Nicks walk and focus on signing Mario Williams. With that trio of corners and a DE rotation featuring guys like Mario, Cam Jordan and Will Smith and any offense featuring Brees and a solid running game and they'd be easy superbowl favorites.

Shane P. Hallam · 02-08-2012, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron

Steelers fans won't like it, but they need to face the sad reality that they're going to experience a time of rebuilding sooner rather than later.

Eh, the Steelers go about building the team in a unique way. The older positions (DE, OLB, CB,) all have young back-ups who are being developed and contributed this year. That does leave ILB, NT, etc, positions that need addressed soon.

With the way the team has drafted, rebuilding for Pittsburgh isn't the same as Jacksonville rebuilding.

zachsaints52 · 02-08-2012, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Rosebud

Don't have to sell me on Greer, loved the guy when he played for the Bills, just think that Spags could turn Porter into an even better corner than Greer, and if Robinson keeps growing as well that's a trio that can be as good as any in the NFC. Give Spags corners like that and you won't need Colston or Meachum.

Hell, I think the Saints should just sign Brees and Porter, let Nicks walk and focus on signing Mario Williams. With that trio of corners and a DE rotation featuring guys like Mario, Cam Jordan and Will Smith and any offense featuring Brees and a solid running game and they'd be easy superbowl favorites.

I don't see that would help us overall. Yes, we would be better defensively, but our offense would hinder because your talking about letting a Top 10 (in my eyes) WR, a WR whose decent, and the best OG in football walk.

BeerBaron · 02-08-2012, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Shane P. Hallam

Eh, the Steelers go about building the team in a unique way. The older positions (DE, OLB, CB,) all have young back-ups who are being developed and contributed this year. That does leave ILB, NT, etc, positions that need addressed soon.

With the way the team has drafted, rebuilding for Pittsburgh isn't the same as Jacksonville rebuilding.

True, there are those in worse shape, but you fans here tend to put a lot of faith in guys like Worilds, Hood, Hayward, etc.

I'd prefer to see them actually contribute more. For instance, Worilds got some starts this year when Harrison and Woodley missed time and was invisible in what I saw.

If all of those guys work out and immediately contribute as starters, then yes, you might not be in too bad of shape. But there's hardly a guarantee of that happening and it will still leave your depth looking pretty thin with only so many draft picks to replace it. (Considering you need to address other areas like the o-line as well with them.)

brat316 · 02-08-2012, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Shane P. Hallam

Eh, the Steelers go about building the team in a unique way. The older positions (DE, OLB, CB,) all have young back-ups who are being developed and contributed this year. That does leave ILB, NT, etc, positions that need addressed soon.

With the way the team has drafted, rebuilding for Pittsburgh isn't the same as Jacksonville rebuilding.

Eventually we are going to have to let someone walk to free up the cap space. We can't keep everyone forever.

BeerBaron · 02-08-2012, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by bhaarat316

Eventually we are going to have to let someone walk to free up the cap space. We can't keep everyone forever.

Hampton and Ward this year I predict. I wouldn't even try to keep them around. If no one else signs them, bring them back at veteran minimums.

brat316 · 02-08-2012, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron

True, there are those in worse shape, but you fans here tend to put a lot of faith in guys like Worilds, Hood, Hayward, etc.

I'd prefer to see them actually contribute more. For instance, Worilds got some starts this year when Harrison and Woodley missed time and was invisible in what I saw.

If all of those guys work out and immediately contribute as starters, then yes, you might not be in too bad of shape. But there's hardly a guarantee of that happening and it will still leave your depth looking pretty thin with only so many draft picks to replace it. (Considering you need to address other areas like the o-line as well with them.)

Ehhh, I'm not convinced on Worilds. Good as a backup/ST, but it seemed like he was always a step late to the big play.

Hood, I don't know what to think. He has done a good job and being a 3-4 DE you are rarely noticed, unless your Justin Smith.

BeerBaron · 02-08-2012, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by bhaarat316

Ehhh, I'm not convinced on Worilds. Good as a backup/ST, but it seemed like he was always a step late to the big play.

Hood, I don't know what to think. He has done a good job and being a 3-4 DE you are rarely noticed, unless your Justin Smith.

I'll give you that Hood looked better when I saw him this year. Before that though, he looked completely overmatched and got shoved around a lot. I'd say the jury is still out on him but with Smith retiring, the starting job should be his.

Complex · 02-08-2012, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by zachsaints52

Cincy is going to have to resign Benson, Simpson, Collins, Nelson (did he do good?), Sims, Pacman, etc.

Titans have to resign Courtland, Griffin, Jones, and Scott.

Redskins are franchising Davis, and still need Fletcher, Landry, McIntosh, and maybe one or two more.

Chiefs have Bowe and Carr, maybe Weigmann, Gregg, Orton, McClain, Belcher, Jones.

Bucs have to resign pretty much no one, maybe Ronde and Josh Johnson.

No, we don't. They both suck. Jones will be cheap because he had a crappy season.

BeerBaron · 02-08-2012, 10:34 AM

If you believe Griffin sucks then I think you overestimate the safety talent in the league. Go ahead and make a top 5. After about 3 names it gets hard.

Aging Ed Reed? Struggles to cover in a traditional safety role Polamalu? Eric Weddle? Daniel Manning? Youngins like Earl Thomas?

It's a very, very weak position in the league right now I think. I'd gladly take Griffin over the garbage the Bears have started the last couple years.

BeerBaron · 02-08-2012, 10:39 AM

Also, back to the salary cap thing, the Patriots will have $18 million in space and ten thousand draft picks.

If they don't do something to drastically improve the defense and add a deep threat WR then seriously, **** those guys and their conservatism.

A Perfect Score · 02-08-2012, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron

If you believe Griffin sucks then I think you overestimate the safety talent in the league. Go ahead and make a top 5. After about 3 names it gets hard.

Aging Ed Reed? Struggles to cover in a traditional safety role Polamalu? Eric Weddle? Daniel Manning? Youngins like Earl Thomas?

It's a very, very weak position in the league right now I think. I'd gladly take Griffin over the garbage the Bears have started the last couple years.

Pfffft it gets hard after Reed. For the high number of safeties drafted within the first 3 rounds, very few of them turn out.

brat316 · 02-08-2012, 10:46 AM

You would think with the amount of passing that happens in the college they would be good in coverage. But I guess the complexity of the systems make a big difference.

Jvig43 · 02-08-2012, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron

Also, back to the salary cap thing, the Patriots will have $18 million in space and ten thousand draft picks.

If they don't do something to drastically improve the defense and add a deep threat WR then seriously, **** those guys and their conservatism.

Agreed, hoping for a big off season ala the 2007 one. Go get Djack or Vjack... or both.

brat316 · 02-08-2012, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron

Also, back to the salary cap thing, the Patriots will have $18 million in space and ten thousand draft picks.

If they don't do something to drastically improve the defense and add a deep threat WR then seriously, **** those guys and their conservatism.

Vincent Jackson? Robert Meachem? Bryant Johnson?
They need to resign Wes, Branch.

Maybe they go after Mario Williams.

BeerBaron · 02-08-2012, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Jvig43

Agreed, hoping for a big off season ala the 2007 one. Go get Djack or Vjack... or both.

**** that noise. MIKE WALLACE. Rob a conference foe, young, elite speed, no headaches like DeSean.

Proceed to ball out like a crazy person. Wallace running deep routes will open so much up for those TEs. Brady might throw for 6000 yards.

And yes, do it even if it means letting go of Welker.

Wallace + Edelman in Welker's role >>>>> Welker and, let's say, Brandon Lloyd.

Throw in those TEs and holy god damn Batman.

brat316 · 02-08-2012, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron

**** that noise. MIKE WALLACE. Rob a conference foe, young, elite speed, no headaches like DeSean.

Proceed to ball out like a crazy person. Wallace running deep routes will open so much up for those TEs. Brady might throw for 6000 yards.

I know you have to deal with super homer steelers fan all day, err day, but come on man, leave them alone.

Mike wallace is not going anywhere.

A Perfect Score · 02-08-2012, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by bhaarat316

I know you have to deal with super homer steelers fan all day, err day, but come on man, leave them alone.

Mike wallace is not going anywhere.

THATS WHAT THEY SAID ABOUT SANTONIO TOO! MUAHAHAHAHAHA!

I feel awful for hoping for an all-out Steelers collapse, but it would please me endlessly to watch them toil in obscurity for the next 5 or so years while we win 3 consecutive Super Bowls after signing Mario Williams, Vincent Jackson and Carl Nicks (While resigning Ben Grubbs, Ray Rice and Ladarius Webb. In my scenario, Flacco is traded and Tyrod Taylor leads us to the promised land 3 years in a row. TYROD).