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02-16-2012, 01:12 AM
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1 29 (29) Ben Grubbs G Auburn
3 10 (74) Yamon Figurs WR Kansas State
3 22 (86) Marshal Yanda G Iowa
4* 35 (134) Antwan Barnes OLB Florida International
4* 38 (137) Le'Ron McClain FB Alabama
5* 37 (174) Troy Smith QB Ohio State
6* 33 (207) Prescott Burgess OLB Michigan
We got two of the top guards in the league along with a pro bowl fullback (and the RB who carried our offense one season). Troy Smith was a decent back up for a couple of years. Prescott Burgess is still with the team but is about what you expect out of a 6th round LB - special teamer/practice roster guy. Antwan Barnes did nothing for us but got 12 sacks this year for the Chargers and Figurs was useless. Not a flashy draft but a very solid one.
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02-16-2012, 01:16 AM
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1. Marshawn Lynch - Good pick, not with the Bills though
2. Paul Posluszny - Good pick, not with the Bills though
3. Trent Edwards - Good pick, until Adrian Wilson
4. Dwayne Wright - Didn't do anything
6. John Wendling - Really solid special teamer
7. Derek Schouman - Athletic TE that never did anything
7. C.J. Ah You - Never did anything
The Bills first three picks looked fantastic for a while. Then Marshawn hit a lady with his car, then had weapons in his car, and then Fred Jackson proved to be a better player for less money and without the head aches. Posluszny was solid but not amazing, left for a contract in Jacksonville. Trent Edwards was great until Adrian Wilson concussed the **** out of him and turned him into captain check down.
If the Bills match Jacksonville's offer last year, and Marshawn wasn't an idiot, the Bills basically would have had an extra 1st round pick in the 2010 draft and a 2nd round pick in the 2011 draft to use on positons that weren't RB or ILB.
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02-16-2012, 01:33 AM
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1. Leon Hall
2. Kenny Irons
4. Marvin White
5. Jeff Rowe
6. Matt Toeaina
7. Dan Santucci
7. Chinedum Ndukwe
Hall was only one that turned out.
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02-16-2012, 01:39 AM
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1. Dwayne Bowe
2. Turk McBride
3. Tank Tyler
5. Kolby Smith
5. Justin Medlock
6. Herb Taylor
7. Michael Allan
Basically awful outside of Bowe. Everyone else is with a new team.
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I think Kolby Smith could have been solid injuries really derailed him IMO
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02-16-2012, 02:16 AM
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I think Kolby Smith could have been solid injuries really derailed him IMO
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Probably, yeah. He was always hurt though.
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02-16-2012, 04:29 AM
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1. Leon Hall
2. Kenny Irons
4. Marvin White
5. Jeff Rowe
6. Matt Toeaina
7. Dan Santucci
7. Chinedum Ndukwe
Hall was only one that turned out.
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Toe's pretty solid.
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02-16-2012, 06:48 AM
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1/16 Justin Harrell Defensive Tackle Tennessee
Maybe the biggest bust of the draft...hard to argue Jamarcus, but at least he saw the field.
2/63 Brandon Jackson Running Back Nebraska
Had some moments as a 3rd down back, but couldn't break a tackle to save his life.
3/78 James Jones Wide Receiver San Jose State
Still with the team and a nice receiver. He would probably produce more if on a different team.
3/89 Aaron Rouse Safety Virginia Tech
He was actually a pretty good safety that fooled a lot of people into thinking he could be a very good starter. That didn't happen though.
4/119 Allen Barbre Offensive lineman Missouri Southern St.
He was horrible and a total project.
5/157 David Clowney Wide Receiver Virginia Tech
Never did anything as a Packer, but I believe he is still with the Jets.
6/191 Korey Hall Inside linebacker Boise State
He played a number of years in GB as a FB and a nice special teamer. He was pretty good, but GB had 3 FB's and he lost out to John Kuhn.
6/192 Desmond Bishop Inside linebacker Cal
A starting ILB for us now. Took him awhile to crack the lineup but I don't think that was his fault. Good pick.
6/193 Mason Crosby Kicker Colorado
He has turned into a great kicker. He battle some inconsistency, but was outstanding last year. Capped off one of the better 6th rounds I can remember.
7/228 DeShawn Wynn Running Back Florida
He became the RB that was given too many chances. I'm not sure I ever saw the potential, but the coaches wasted a lot of time hoping he'd stay healthy.
7/243 (compensatory) Clark Harris Tight end Rutgers
I don't think he made the team that year.
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02-16-2012, 08:52 AM
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Harrell at least looked decent when he played, it's just that he hurt his back and with a DT when you lose the back you lose everything, so blame the strength coach on that one. Prior to his biceps injury in college, Justin Harrell looked like the same sort of prospect that Ndamukong Suh turned out to be.
That's a miss, but not a terrible miss. You draft a guy, he gets hurt, he can't play, and you cut him. Happens a lot.
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02-16-2012, 08:59 AM
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Lawrence Timmons- Was drafted as an OLB to replace porter when james harrison was an unknown...had a shaky rookie year cause of groin problems, only thing i remember him doing was a few ST tackles and tearing ricky williams pectoral muscle in a mud bowl at heinz field. Since then hes moved inside and gained 25 pounds....had a down year last season but i think hes pretty cemented as a top tier MLB in a 34. I wanted willis, timmons, or spencer that year....absolutely cringed at the thought of carriker or revis though. **** revis. Timmons is a great blitzer, no longer a liability against the run (got his **** pushed in early in his career) and he can legit run stride for stride with recievers
Lamaar Woodley- Was unblockable in his first training camp and it didnt take long for him to unseat clark haggans. He and timmons are now two of the richest LBs in the league. For not being overally fast he has a mean bullrush and is one of the better closing pass rushers in the league, he just doesnt miss
Matt Spaeth- blows. now a bear...his 6-7 body and stone hands were useless
Dan Sepulveda- was a top 5 punter when healthy...however has had 3 season ending knee injuries. his huge leg, high hang time, and 4.4 speed made him special....however i cant see the steelers bringing him back, his knees are beyond shot
Cam Stephenson- suck, was cut and replaced with fellow rutger scrub darnell stapleton
William ***- gets a lot of **** but is one of the better NBs out there, great tackler, great run supporter, and solid in coverage...love him at NB, he shuts down slot WRs...its guys like TO and Gronk that destroy him for obvious reasons
Dallas Baker- they took a shot on him, never could really do much
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02-16-2012, 11:39 AM
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49ers did pretty good in this draft overall. Patrick Willis, Joe Staley, Ray McDonald, Dashon Goldson, and Tarrell Brown. 5 starters and they were all pretty good except for maybe Brown, who was more above-average ish. By far our best draft in a while.
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1(11) - Patrick Willis - ILB - Ole Miss
1(28) - Joe Staley - OT - Central Michigan
3(76) - Jason Hill - WR - Washington State
3(97) - Ray McDonald - DE - Florida
4(104) - Jay Moore - OLB - Nebraska
4(126) - Dashon Goldson - S - Washington
4(135) - Joe Cohen - DT - Florida
5(147) - Tarell Brown - CB - Texas
6(186) - Thomas Clayton - RB - Kansas State
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02-16-2012, 09:45 PM
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What really shocks me is how the 2007 QB class panned out. JaMarcus Russell had every physical quality NFL teams look for; arguably one of the strongest arms in NFL history, excellent size, and proven winner at the college level. Brady Quinn epitomized everything "intangible" characteristic an NFL team looks for; he was incredibly intelligent (honors student, dual major, Dean's List), also a proven winner, hard worker, an excellent leader, and defined "Notre Dame" character.
Even the QB's that followed had minimal success at best (Drew Stanton, Kevin Kolb, Jon Beck, Trent Edwards). Its pretty shocking how difficult it is to scout a quarterback. I'm sure there wasn't a single analyst or scout that predicted that not a single QB from this class wouldn't be talented NFL starter (Jury is still out on Kolb).
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02-16-2012, 10:43 PM
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Here's a better idea. Let's never revisit this draft again, ever.
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02-16-2012, 11:15 PM
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2 4 (36) Kevin Kolb QB Houston
2 25 (57) Victor Abiamiri DE Notre Dame
3 23 (87) Stewart Bradley OLB Nebraska
3 26 (90) Tony Hunt RB Penn State
5 22 (159) C.J. Gaddis S Clemson
5 25 (162) Brent Celek TE University of Cincinnati
6 27 (201) Rashad Barksdale DB University at Albany
7 26 (236) Nate Ilaoa RB Hawaii
Wow. Kolb was just baffling when it happened and trust me, no matter what anyone says, he never showed anything in Philly. We laughed all the way to the bank in the trade with Arizona and the fact that he's already on the hot seat isn't surprising at all. If we end up picking a promising player with Arizona's 2nd this year I'll consider the '07 draft a long-term success but obviously who knew for this reason at the time.
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02-16-2012, 11:18 PM
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Here's a better idea. Let's never revisit this draft again, ever.
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Haha, sorry if I brought you bad memories
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02-16-2012, 11:31 PM
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2 25 (57) Victor Abiamiri DE Notre Dame
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As a Notre Dame fan, I never understood how Abiamiri managed to get drafted in the second round.
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This is weird to me. Isn't the normal period of time in which to judge a draft either 3 or 4 years? So why are we talking about 2007 instead of 2008 or 2009?
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02-16-2012, 11:55 PM
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This is weird to me. Isn't the normal period of time in which to judge a draft either 3 or 4 years? So why are we talking about 2007 instead of 2008 or 2009?
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Honestly, I feel like this class as a whole never comes up outside of JaMarcus and maybe Calvin/Peterson. And we now all have definitive results of what these guys have turned into a good portion into most of their careers..
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02-16-2012, 11:56 PM
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1/16 Justin Harrell Defensive Tackle Tennessee
Maybe the biggest bust of the draft...hard to argue Jamarcus, but at least he saw the field.
2/63 Brandon Jackson Running Back Nebraska
Had some moments as a 3rd down back, but couldn't break a tackle to save his life.
3/78 James Jones Wide Receiver San Jose State
Still with the team and a nice receiver. He would probably produce more if on a different team.
3/89 Aaron Rouse Safety Virginia Tech
He was actually a pretty good safety that fooled a lot of people into thinking he could be a very good starter. That didn't happen though.
4/119 Allen Barbre Offensive lineman Missouri Southern St.
He was horrible and a total project.
5/157 David Clowney Wide Receiver Virginia Tech
Never did anything as a Packer, but I believe he is still with the Jets.
6/191 Korey Hall Inside linebacker Boise State
He played a number of years in GB as a FB and a nice special teamer. He was pretty good, but GB had 3 FB's and he lost out to John Kuhn.
6/192 Desmond Bishop Inside linebacker Cal
A starting ILB for us now. Took him awhile to crack the lineup but I don't think that was his fault. Good pick.
6/193 Mason Crosby Kicker Colorado
He has turned into a great kicker. He battle some inconsistency, but was outstanding last year. Capped off one of the better 6th rounds I can remember.
7/228 DeShawn Wynn Running Back Florida
He became the RB that was given too many chances. I'm not sure I ever saw the potential, but the coaches wasted a lot of time hoping he'd stay healthy.
7/243 (compensatory) Clark Harris Tight end Rutgers
I don't think he made the team that year.
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I think Crosby is the only K prospect in memory that I was pissed didn't become a Jet. Big leg coming out of school...one of the better K prospects to come out in a while.
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Where are the dipsh*ts at now that passed up Patrick Willis for Ted Ginn Jr.?
That's just brutal. Sorry for any of you Fin Fans out there that had to witness that.
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...or Brady Quinn. As it turns out, BQ was pretty much the only guy who could have turned out worse for them. At least Ginn had that monster game against the Jets.
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1. Marshawn Lynch - Good pick, not with the Bills though
2. Paul Posluszny - Good pick, not with the Bills though
3. Trent Edwards - Good pick, until Adrian Wilson
4. Dwayne Wright - Didn't do anything
6. John Wendling - Really solid special teamer
7. Derek Schouman - Athletic TE that never did anything
7. C.J. Ah You - Never did anything
The Bills first three picks looked fantastic for a while. Then Marshawn hit a lady with his car, then had weapons in his car, and then Fred Jackson proved to be a better player for less money and without the head aches. Posluszny was solid but not amazing, left for a contract in Jacksonville. Trent Edwards was great until Adrian Wilson concussed the **** out of him and turned him into captain check down.
If the Bills match Jacksonville's offer last year, and Marshawn wasn't an idiot, the Bills basically would have had an extra 1st round pick in the 2010 draft and a 2nd round pick in the 2011 draft to use on positons that weren't RB or ILB.
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Very well said, very well said... Dont forget Poz was our best LB, and was constantly asked to man up on faster more athletic TE's and RB's, because our OLB's and Donte Whitner couldnt. The only LB's left on the team are Arthur Moats who was a rooke DE conversion, and Chris Kelsey who never was a LB.
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1 24 Brandon Meriweather Safety Miami (FL)
4 127 Kareem Brown Defensive end Miami (FL)
5 171 Clint Oldenburg Offensive tackle Colorado State
6 180 Justin Rogers Linebacker SMU
6 202 Mike Richardson Cornerback Notre Dame
6 208 Justise Hairston Running back Central Connecticut State
6 209 Corey Hilliard Offensive guard Oklahoma State
7 211 Oscar Lua Linebacker USC
7 247 Mike Elgin Center Iowa
LOL
They did trade for Welker and Moss though so that softens the blow a little bit. Adalius Thomas was their big free agent pickup as well.
The Patriots were a veteran heavy team at the time and there wasn't a lot of room on the roster for some young blood. Meriweather was the only player who made it through the end of the year on the roster I believe. Looking back I don't think there was a prospect that the team could have realistically traded up to grab and so this year was the year that started the tradition of trading out of spots to pick up additional picks in the next draft. They traded Seattle's pick to San Fran so San Fran could grab Joe Staley.
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Round 1 - Lawrence Timmons-LB-Florida State
- There was no secret here, Steelers wanted their home-town boy with this pick: Darrelle Revis. Jets leap-frogged the Steelers and are reaping the rewards. Timmons is still a very solid player.
Took him a few years to get the understand playing a new position in a new defense but after understanding the mental portion of the game his elite athleticism took over. in 2010, he turned in his finest season, emerging as one of the most talented 3-4 ILBs in the NFL. Didn't play as well in 2011 after receiving a monster contracy but he has definitely established himself as one of the team's most talented players and leaders and should continue to perform as such for the next few years. Solid draft pick.
Round 2 - Lamarr Woodley-DE/OLB-Michigan
- One of the leagues best pass rushers, at an incredible value. A consistent threat for 10+ sacks a season. Locked down for a few more years, A+ pick here.
Round 3 - Matt Spaeth-TE-Minnesota
- One the Mackey Award as Senior, third TE picked in arguably one f the worst TE classes of the past ten years. Good player, but far from great. Very limited athletically and was kept mostly in-line to block whenever he entered the game. Was a solid contributor when filling in for an injured Heath Miller but could never offer the same affect. Now on the Bears and is their blocking specialist.
Round 4 - Ryan McBean-DL-Oklahoma State
- Never really flashed anything with the Steelers, at least not enough to emerge from the Practice Squad. Got picked up by the Broncos and has received a great deal of playing time and some starts.
Round 5 - Cameron Stephenson-G-Rutgers
- Combine darling, not talented on the field. Had a miserable camp and never broke out of any team's Practice Squad.
Round 5 - William ***-CB-Louisville
- Tomlin's pick, this was the guy he hammered on the table for. *** has turned in a very solid career for the Steelers. Even though he has looked downright awful at times and turned in a horrendous 2009 season, *** has excelled inside and has emerged as one of the league's best Nickel-Backs. Too often the scapegoat for a loss, *** has been a very solid player and a great find.
Round 7 - Dallas Baker-WR-Florida
- Leak and Tebow's favorite target during Florida's first championship season. Showed flashes during camp and was active for a few games but his limited skills as a receiver and his inability to play special teams bounced him out of the league.
Overall 2007 proved to be a very very very good draft for the Steelers, picking up 3 defensive starters, two of which are perennial All-Pro candidates. Spaeth played his role well and has moved on to a new team and McBean has found success in Denver. 5 of 7 players will all be entering their 6th NFL season and should most likely be around for much longer, not a bad accumulation of talent in one draft.
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