40+ mill under the cap

[Giantsfan1080]

Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

It's a fact why wouldn't I be serious BF?

[SuperPacker]

Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

It's a fact why wouldn't I be serious BF?

^^^

lol this...

[bearsfan_51]

The Patriots:

-Have won 3 Superbowls in the last decade
-Have won 72% of their games under Bellicheck
-Have the best quarterback in football
-Actually DID beat a team with a winning record (Ravens)
-Won 2 playoff games and made the Superbowl
-Were 15-4 last year

The Lions:

-Are the Lions

I mean, yes, the Patriots example proves that statistic isn't the only one that matters. They also only lost 3 games to teams with winning seasons (the Lions lost 7), so a fair amount of it simply had to do with limited opportunities.

But the bigger point is that even the most uninformed fan could hold the Patriots and the Lions up and see it's not exactly a fair comparison.

[SuperPacker]

Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

The Patriots:

-Have won 3 Superbowls in the last decade
-Have won 72% of their games under Bellicheck
-Have the best quarterback in football
-Actually DID beat a team with a winning record (Ravens)
-Won 2 playoff games and made the Superbowl
-Were 15-4 last year

The Lions:

-Are the Lions

I mean, yes, the Patriots example proves that statistic isn't the only one that matters. They also only lost 3 games to teams with winning seasons (the Lions lost 7), so a fair amount of it simply had to do with limited opportunities.

But the bigger point is that even the most uninformed fan could hold the Patriots and the Lions up and see it's not exactly a fair comparison.

he said that.

[Splat]

If the Chiefs don't lock up Bowe and Carr I'm going to kick Scott Pioli right in the nut sack.

It's not like they are going to do anything what so ever in FA, so they got to keep what talent they all ready have.

[bearsfan_51]

I know, but it's weird to hold something up in comparison that isn't true.

[SuperPacker]

Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

I know, but it's weird to hold something up in comparison that isn't true.

he said the patriots didnt beat a team with a winning record until the afc championship game. that is true.

[bearsfan_51]

Originally Posted by SuperPacker

he said the patriots didnt beat a team with a winning record until the afc championship game. that is true.

But it's pointless because they won. Had they not won, the comparison might make some sense, but they did, so....

[Giantsfan1080]

First of all I wasn't comparing them directly. Second the Pats team this year has nothing to do with the previous teams besides Brady and Belichick. Yes, it's a huge difference but in today's NFL if you have an offense like the Lions you can absolutely make a run.

[Giantsfan1080]

Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

But it's pointless because they won. Had they not won, the comparison might make some sense, but they did, so....

You said Super Bowl contender. The Pats were a contender just by getting to the AFC Championship Game. So....you're wrong.

[SuperPacker]

Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

But it's pointless because they won. Had they not won, the comparison might make some sense, but they did, so....

the point is that it doesnt matter if the lions didnt beat a team with a winning record. neither did the pats and they got to the superbowl. that is exactly on the point. it could get any closer to the point.

[bearsfan_51]

Of course it matters. When you're projecting into next year, what happens in the past year certainly matters. It's obvious to look at the Patriots over the last 5-10 years and think that as long as Brady is playing at an elite level and Bellicheck is the coach, they are going to be in the hunt. This is a proven commodity.

The Lions were ******* awful for, well, ever, prior to this season. So of course it matters more for them to prove themselves by beating winning teams.

The Pats have beaten many great teams in the past few years; the Lions have not.

I can't believe this is even an argument.

[SuperPacker]

Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

Of course it matters. When you're projecting into next year, what happens in the past year certainly matters. It's obvious to look at the Patriots over the last 5-10 years and think that as long as Brady is playing at an elite level and Bellicheck is the coach, they are going to be in the hunt. This is a proven commodity.

The Lions were ******* awful for, well, ever, prior to this season. So of course it matters more for them to prove themselves by beating winning teams.

The Pats have beaten many great teams in the past few years; the Lions have not.

I can't believe this is even an argument.

who gives a ****.

also stafford was injured for the majority of that time.

[bearsfan_51]

Originally Posted by SuperPacker

who gives a ****.

also stafford was injured for the majority of that time.

Uh huh...so you actually think the Lions and the Patriots are on the same level? If the Lions and Patriots played 10 games, how many of those would the Lions win?

[broncosfan]

Originally Posted by SuperPacker

But if he has an elite QB, WR and DT what else do you need? the packers alreday proved you can win without defense

What the Packers (and playoffs in general) proved to me is that you CAN'T win a SB without defense. You need a very good defense to win, and even if you don't have the greatest defense ever, you need them to force turnovers and give the ball to the offense.

Offenses win games, yes.
Defense wins championships.

[Nalej]

I say 9 out of 10.
The one game the Pats lose, Wes Welker drops the game sealing catch.

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

Uh huh...so you actually think the Lions and the Patriots are on the same level? If the Lions and Patriots played 10 games, how many of those would the Lions win?

[Giantsfan1080]

Originally Posted by Nalej

I say 9 out of 10.
The one game the Pats lose, Wes Welker drops the game sealing catch.

<---- Looks something like that

It should have never came to that catch anyway. Don't get me started now because these bitter Pats fans are starting to piss me off.

[broncosfan]

Originally Posted by Nalej

I say 9 out of 10.
The one game the Pats lose, Wes Welker drops the game sealing catch.

<---- Looks something like that

When the Giants had to drive 80 yards to take the lead, they did.
When the Patriots had to drive 80 yards to take the lead, they didn't.

It's not like that pass was the last play of the game.