RG3 Officially 6'2 3/8 and 223 lbs

[Babylon]

Originally Posted by armageddon

LOL @ Seattle. Like the Rams would give RG3 to them ? Not a chance

If the Rams were creative they'd trade Bradford to Seattle and then draft Griffin. Probably be a win win for everyone.

Rams probably arent interested in listening to any team that doesnt have a top 5 pick.

[armageddon]

Originally Posted by Babylon

If the Rams were creative they'd trade Bradford to Seattle and then draft Griffin. Probably be a win win for everyone.

Rams probably arent interested in listening to any team that doesnt have a top 5 pick.

The Rams are interested in Washington's #6 pick. There just isn't any way the Rams trade with a division rival like Seattle.

[FUNBUNCHER]

The Skins are prepared to put together a borderline Ricky WIlliams deal for RGIII.

The only way the SKins don't get RGIII is if Shanny tells Bruce Allen and Snyder he doesn't want him.

[armageddon]

Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER

The Skins are prepared to put together a borderline Ricky WIlliams deal for RGIII.

The only way the SKins don't get RGIII is if Shanny tells Bruce Allen and Snyder he doesn't want him.

The Skins rumor for RG3 sounds like 2012 1st,2nd,3rd and 2013 1st. That should get it done unless Cleveland wants to add a 2012 2nd along with both 2012 1sts.

[nobodyinparticular]

This is ridiculous. I hate seeing talented QBs go to teams that are entirely stripped of all talent. In nearly every case, it's a pretty bad idea to trade a fortune to draft young QB because you are giving away the very assets you will need in order to surround him with talent.

The only team that makes sense to trade up for RGIII is Kansas City. This is a team that has so much young talent and is well under the salary cap, that they will not be hindered by their lack of future draft picks. And if they can get a franchise QB to go with Jamaal Charles and the Bowe/Baldwin/Moeaki trio, that offense will be dynamic. They have talent in the defensive backfield and their LB corps.

You put RGIII on this team and they will be a fixture in the playoffs for the next decade.

In contrast, you put RGIII on the Redskins and they will be in the cellar for years. That team does not have offensive talent to surround RGIII to make him successful and if they give up a king's ransom for him, they won't have the ability to add those impact players.

[Babylon]

Originally Posted by armageddon

The Skins rumor for RG3 sounds like 2012 1st,2nd,3rd and 2013 1st. That should get it done unless Cleveland wants to add a 2012 2nd along with both 2012 1sts.

That sounds like a lot for Griffin. If i'm the Rams i'm all over that deal.

[armageddon]

Originally Posted by Babylon

That sounds like a lot for Griffin. If i'm the Rams i'm all over that deal.

If the Browns add their 2nd rounder to both their 1sts, I would consider that deal. Which deal looks better ?

Browns - 2012 #4,#22 + 2nd rounder
Skins - 2012 #6, 2nd,3rd and 4th + 2013 1st

That a tough decision

[FUNBUNCHER]

Originally Posted by nobodyinparticular

This is ridiculous. I hate seeing talented QBs go to teams that are entirely stripped of all talent. In nearly every case, it's a pretty bad idea to trade a fortune to draft young QB because you are giving away the very assets you will need in order to surround him with talent.

The only team that makes sense to trade up for RGIII is Kansas City. This is a team that has so much young talent and is well under the salary cap, that they will not be hindered by their lack of future draft picks. And if they can get a franchise QB to go with Jamaal Charles and the Bowe/Baldwin/Moeaki trio, that offense will be dynamic. They have talent in the defensive backfield and their LB corps.

You put RGIII on this team and they will be a fixture in the playoffs for the next decade.

In contrast, you put RGIII on the Redskins and they will be in the cellar for years. That team does not have offensive talent to surround RGIII to make him successful and if they give up a king's ransom for him, they won't have the ability to add those impact players.

The SKins don't have the raw skill position talent that KC has, but they aren't awful. A lot of average guys and unproven 2nd year players. If they can sign a WR like Colston in FA to play along with Hankerson, Santana Moss in the slot and Jabar Gaffney, the WR corps becomes solid. No dominant guy, but a capable group.

Except for Elway, Terrell Davis and Shannon SHarpe, the SKins offense is comparable in talent to Shanahan's teams in Denver with Elway.

[njx9]

Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER

Except for Elway, Terrell Davis and Shannon SHarpe, the SKins offense is comparable in talent to Shanahan's teams in Denver with Elway.

and the best offensive line in the league. and good receivers. i mean, except for every single position, they're pretty comparable.

[armageddon]

RG3 would be deadly in Washington

[gpngc]

Rams just need to make sure they are content with Blackmon/Reiff over Richardson/Claiborne. They may have no choice, though, because rumor is Cleveland isn't willing to go near as high price-wise as Washington.

I wouldn't be surprised if they agree in principle on a deal weeks prior to the draft behind the scenes. Based on the smoke, Washington is a great bet to get RG3 at #2.

[slats7]

RG III vs Cam and Luck

[onejayhawk]

I think the Skins are going to talk up RG III and aim a bit lower-Ryan Tannehill. This will work. Shanahan has experience with big arm QBs who can run.

J

[FUNBUNCHER]

Originally Posted by njx9

and the best offensive line in the league. and good receivers. i mean, except for every single position, they're pretty comparable.

SKILL position talent, that was the comparison I was making.

[fear the elf]

Originally Posted by nobodyinparticular

This is ridiculous. I hate seeing talented QBs go to teams that are entirely stripped of all talent. In nearly every case, it's a pretty bad idea to trade a fortune to draft young QB because you are giving away the very assets you will need in order to surround him with talent.

The only team that makes sense to trade up for RGIII is Kansas City. This is a team that has so much young talent and is well under the salary cap, that they will not be hindered by their lack of future draft picks. And if they can get a franchise QB to go with Jamaal Charles and the Bowe/Baldwin/Moeaki trio, that offense will be dynamic. They have talent in the defensive backfield and their LB corps.

You put RGIII on this team and they will be a fixture in the playoffs for the next decade.

In contrast, you put RGIII on the Redskins and they will be in the cellar for years. That team does not have offensive talent to surround RGIII to make him successful and if they give up a king's ransom for him, they won't have the ability to add those impact players.

+1

Do want at #4. Don't think we have the talent to support a young QB if we give away the #22 and more.

[Mufasa]

Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER

SKILL position talent, that was the comparison I was making.

So you're saying the skill positions are basically the same - if you take out 2 hall of famers and an MVP. What kind of comparison is that?

[njx9]

and ignore the difference in receiver quality.

[ChiFan24]

Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER

SKILL position talent, that was the comparison I was making.

You were actually being serious?!?

[FUNBUNCHER]

Originally Posted by ChiFan24

You were actually being serious?!?

We don't have an Elway. We don't have SHannon Sharpe but we do have Fred Davis and Chris Cooley. We don't have Terrell Davis and no combo of RBs is going to approximate his production during the Shanny/Elway era.

Njx9 is right, at best the Skins Oline is about average even with new acquisitions.
But the WR corps with Gaffney/Hankerson/Moss and an unnamed FA WR is at least on par with the Broncos wideouts during that period.

The point was really less about comparing the SB Broncos teams to the current SKins and countering the argument that RGIII would be playing for an offense devoid of talent.

If it came across like I was comparing the Skins to the Broncos, that wasn't really what I was trying to do.

[njx9]

i don't think the skins wideouts compare at all to the broncos wideouts at that time. but i also don't think it's really relevant. i think you're correct that the skins offense isn't devoid of talent.

[descendency]

I almost feel bad for RG3, because he's going to be stuck with absolute garbage in year 1.

[Inspector71]

Originally Posted by nobodyinparticular

This is ridiculous. I hate seeing talented QBs go to teams that are entirely stripped of all talent. In nearly every case, it's a pretty bad idea to trade a fortune to draft young QB because you are giving away the very assets you will need in order to surround him with talent.

The only team that makes sense to trade up for RGIII is Kansas City. This is a team that has so much young talent and is well under the salary cap, that they will not be hindered by their lack of future draft picks. And if they can get a franchise QB to go with Jamaal Charles and the Bowe/Baldwin/Moeaki trio, that offense will be dynamic. They have talent in the defensive backfield and their LB corps.

You put RGIII on this team and they will be a fixture in the playoffs for the next decade.

In contrast, you put RGIII on the Redskins and they will be in the cellar for years. That team does not have offensive talent to surround RGIII to make him successful and if they give up a king's ransom for him, they won't have the ability to add those impact players.

Your whole premise is ridiculous. So who were the stud players the Giants had when they drafted Eli Manning? They had ZERo at the WR position. They took him in 2004 and then added WR's afterwards.

Phillip Rivers had absolute GARBAGE at WR when he arrived. They later added Gates and Jackson to help him out. To say that a Quarterback will forever toil in mediocrity because he ends up on a Team without immediate threats is revisionist history and a simpleton argument.