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Old 03-01-2012, 08:34 PM    (permalink
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If comparing their workout numbers, the fact Perry has a much better vertical, a better broad jump, and a better 10 yard shows significantly more lower body strength/explosion which is obviously quite important for pass rushers.
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Is he any different than Brian Orakpo as a 34 OLB prospect?
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On the other hand, how is Nick Perry different from Everson Griffen as a prospect?

Essentially the same production, almost exact same build (height, weight, arm length, etc.), same upper body strength (reps), same speed (mid 4.6 range).

Nick Perry edges him out slightly in the vertical and broad jump.


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Explosiveness. Griffen was alright, but he was more like Coples than Perry.

4.5 inches in the vert and 7" in the broad is nothing to pass over, and sure isn't "slight" in any way.

Nick Perry is more like Orakpo, who had the exact same concerns at a smaller weight. And Nick Perry bulked up quite a bit to show up as more of a 4-3 DE since that is where the higher up teams are looking at him (since buffalo and heck even the Bucs or Phins have a shot at him, and all are playing the 43 next year). Perry would likely drop weight to play the 34 OLB and that would help his agility numbers a lot.
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Is he any different than Brian Orakpo as a 34 OLB prospect?
Taller, heavier, and probably a little longer.

Willie McGinnest?
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To sum it up: no
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I'd want him to drop about 15#, but Perry looks ideal for 34 'backer IMO. He's the same height as Orakpo and about a tenth a sec faster. Both are athletic but not the most fluid athletes. Good effort guys.

I think he goes higher than some are predicting, but I dunno about top 12.
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I'd want him to drop about 15#, but Perry looks ideal for 34 'backer IMO. He's the same height as Orakpo and about a tenth a sec faster. Both are athletic but not the most fluid athletes. Good effort guys.

I think he goes higher than some are predicting, but I dunno about top 12.
I'm really PRAYING for him at #18. I really wish we lost the Raider game that last week now... :(
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Actually, Mayock and a number of NFL Network scout/GM types all thought Upshaw might only suit as a 4-3 DE more than as a 3-4 OLB. Upshaw looked lost in the LBer drills at the combine and showed little burst. Upshaw just didn't look at all comfortable running the LBer drills.
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Might be the 2nd best 3-4 OLB prospect behind Ingram, Upshaw should play in the 4-3 he doesnt have the movement skills to play in the NFL. Upshaw or Ingram will likely go to Buffalo at 10, but after that Perry could sneak into the top 18 of the draft. Cardinals, Jets and Chargers all could be looking for a pass rusher in the top 20.
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Might be the 2nd best 3-4 OLB prospect behind Ingram, Upshaw should play in the 4-3 he doesnt have the movement skills to play in the NFL. Upshaw or Ingram will likely go to Buffalo at 10, but after that Perry could sneak into the top 18 of the draft. Cardinals, Jets and Chargers all could be looking for a pass rusher in the top 20.
Ingram isn't good. He will never do anything as a pass rusher in this league. If someone takes him over Perry, i'll be SO happy.
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Perry to me looks like a 4/3 end. He's a little stiff which isn't that bad as a end, but might be a problem if he opens his hips to run with a TE or RB.

The one thing that I really like about Perry is he plays hard all the time which is big for a D linemen cause most of the time they make the play on second effort.
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He's great.
USC sure knows how to breed monsters in the weight room.
He'll most likely be available when the Ravens are on the clock, so he's an interesting thought for a 3/4 outside rusher
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He's great.
USC sure knows how to breed monsters in the weight room.
He'll most likely be available when the Ravens are on the clock, so he's an interesting thought for a 3/4 outside rusher
Dont see how he gets past the Chargers at 18...AJ Smith has said over and over that we need a PASS RUSHER. He's easily the best in the class. Zero chance he makes it to the Ravens.
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I don't see a 34OLB. I see a wide 9 DE. He's stiff.
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Actually, Mayock and a number of NFL Network scout/GM types all thought Upshaw might only suit as a 4-3 DE more than as a 3-4 OLB. Upshaw looked lost in the LBer drills at the combine and showed little burst. Upshaw just didn't look at all comfortable running the LBer drills.
I heard the exact opposite from different people.
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I believe there are enough 4-3 teams with needs at DE in the top 12 that he will get picked somewhere in there. The lack of top tier prototypical 4-3 DE's in this draft will add to the likely hood him and Coples go in that range.
I agree that this fact makes Coples a hot commodity.

There are like NO other good 4-3 DEs 3-down in this draft. It's sad. Cam Johnson maybe? Mercilus and Perry are better suited as backers. Maybe Curry? Maybe Upshaw? It's tough.
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Actually, Mayock and a number of NFL Network scout/GM types all thought Upshaw might only suit as a 4-3 DE more than as a 3-4 OLB. Upshaw looked lost in the LBer drills at the combine and showed little burst. Upshaw just didn't look at all comfortable running the LBer drills.
Some smart people have called him a 4-3 DE for much longer...Upshaw I mean...he doesn't move like a LB, even if he did play one in college.


He'd be PERFECT for the Pats' new 4-3. He's a Freeney-esque DE...without the 4.4 obviously.
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Ingram isn't good. He will never do anything as a pass rusher in this league. If someone takes him over Perry, i'll be SO happy.


You'd think you'd have a job as a scout with all of that foresight you have. But instead ... you're stuck on a message board speaking in absolutes. Carry on.
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I like Perry more than Ingram. Not saying Ingram won't do anything as a pro, but I will say that as a prospect I find him overrated.
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Buyer Beware.

Perry has good games and then disappears for the next 6.
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NICK PERRY IS WHO WE THOUGHT HE WAS

Really though, subpar shuttle, 3-cone, and 10-yard split confirms the slow first step and lack of flexibility you see on tape.

4-3 end, solely.
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You'd think you'd have a job as a scout with all of that foresight you have. But instead ... you're stuck on a message board speaking in absolutes. Carry on.
That's the fun part of the draft. You can make statements like this, and by the time it is proven or not, nobody willl remember what you're view on a guy unless u remember.

But adding up what I've seen from him, I just don't see how he's ever going to be a threat rushing the passer. I don't doubt that he can be a solid defensive player that is very versatile, but he has average burst off the line, short arms that prevent him from using his arms well if he ever decided to actually use his hands (which he never does). He is strictly a bull rush guy, which is hard to do with such short arms, and going up vs NFL LTs, I just don't see him making a difference...
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