Denver Broncos Discussion

[Timbathia]

Someone go get Bush.

[Jimmy]

Originally Posted by Timbathia

Someone go get Bush.

Do want. As long as we don't overpay, I think it would be a solid addition. Still think there's a ton of talent at RB in the 2nd-4th round that we need to consider.

Also, what are our feelings regarding going after positions of lesser importance with early picks if they are the BPA?

e.g. wideout and defensive end and safety. If the BPA truly is at one of those lesser needed places, do we take the guy anway? Guys like Vinny Curry, Mohammed Sanu are incredible talents, but likely won't be there at 57. Would we pull the trigger despite a lack of need if they somehow were?

or, what if a guy like Kendall Wright/Mark Barron/Perry fell to 25?

[njx9]

Originally Posted by Jimmy

Do want. As long as we don't overpay, I think it would be a solid addition. Still think there's a ton of talent at RB in the 2nd-4th round that we need to consider.

i assume we're talking about michael bush? meh. why? he fits no role (see: mcgahee).

Also, what are our feelings regarding going after positions of lesser importance with early picks if they are the BPA?

it depends how strongly they're BPA. if we were looking at like, blackmon at 25, i'd be ok with it.

e.g. wideout and defensive end and safety. If the BPA truly is at one of those lesser needed places, do we take the guy anway? Guys like Vinny Curry, Mohammed Sanu are incredible talents, but likely won't be there at 57. Would we pull the trigger despite a lack of need if they somehow were?

sanu is mediocre. i don't buy curry. i would imagine there would be *far* better players at that pick.

or, what if a guy like Kendall Wright/Mark Barron/Perry fell to 25?

again, i think kendall wright is hugely overrated. i'd be sort of ok with barron, but it would mean that we'd have something like 5 high draft picks invested in safety in the last three years. i don't think nick perry would be the 25th best player, let alone the best player available by the time we picked, but i'd be ok with a DE, provided he could take 2 downs for doom, or 3rd down for ayers.

[Jimmy]

I'm actually terrified that we had some part in a saints type bounty program, and that we'll get found out and lose picks.

[Diehard]

Originally Posted by Jimmy

I'm actually terrified that we had some part in a saints type bounty program, and that we'll get found out and lose picks.

Maybe, but the link was weak and already severed now that Allen is in Oakland.

I think if the NFL brings the hammer down on the Saints that will be enough to deliver the message. A league-wide witch hunt involving every team touched by Williams and his assistants isn't going to be productive.

[Diehard]

Originally Posted by Jimmy

Also, what are our feelings regarding going after positions of lesser importance with early picks if they are the BPA?

I'm on board with BPA. We need difference-makers.

However, if that's the case then I think you can rule out QB, WR, TE and RB at 25:

* top 3 QB's will be long gone
* only solid 1st rounders I have at WR are Blackmon and Floyd
* no TE is worth a 1st
* Richardson goes early, Lamar Miller goes to Cincy

So that leaves OL, DL, LB, S, CB as the potential slide positions. We could use help at all these spots so I think we are in pretty good shape.

[Jimmy]

Originally Posted by Diehard

I'm on board with BPA. We need difference-makers.

However, if that's the case then I think you can rule out QB, WR, TE and RB at 25:

* top 3 QB's will be long gone
* only solid 1st rounders I have at WR are Blackmon and Floyd
* no TE is worth a 1st
* Richardson goes early, Lamar Miller goes to Cincy

So that leaves OL, DL, LB, S, CB as the potential slide positions. We could use help at all these spots so I think we are in pretty good shape.

I'm not sold with this whole Tannehill going in the top 15 thing. Absolutely nothing this kid has done has warranted him as a top 15 pick, although everyone and their mothers generally agree he's a lock in the 1st. Dare I say, NJX, that Tannehill has a slight leg up on Gabbert as a prospect. In any event, If KC, Seattle and Arizona pass up on him, he would technically be passed up until the second round, unless we took him or someone traded up for him. If he take him, I will cry blood.

Lamar Miller isn't that good anyway, perhaps for the best.

Anyway, at this point my favorite is Cordy Glenn / Mark Barron .

[Diehard]

Originally Posted by Jimmy

I'm not sold with this whole Tannehill going in the top 15 thing. Absolutely nothing this kid has done has warranted him as a top 15 pick, although everyone and their mothers generally agree he's a lock in the 1st.

Yeah, he hasn't done much but his potential is the draw. I think he's gone by the teens. If he starts to slide I can see someone trading in to grab him. If he makes it to 25 the Broncos will probably do something stupid and my brain will explode.

Lamar Miller isn't that good anyway, perhaps for the best.

He's a speed back. He'll be overdrafted because of it. I'd happily take him with our 2nd rounder, but that won't be an option. Doesn't really matter because there will be plenty of good options for offensive skill guys in round 2.

Anyway, at this point my favorite is Cordy Glenn / Mark Barron .

I think those are both pretty good guesses. Even with the new rookie contracts, the positional value will still discourage teams from taking interior OL or SS early. Barron fits the description well (tough, smart, team leader, good tackler) but as njx said, can we justify burning yet another early pick on a safety?

[Timbathia]

Originally Posted by Diehard

I think those are both pretty good guesses. Even with the new rookie contracts, the positional value will still discourage teams from taking interior OL or SS early. Barron fits the description well (tough, smart, team leader, good tackler) but as njx said, can we justify burning yet another early pick on a safety?

if the brass dont think the safetys we currently have are good enough, then we have to bring in another one. The previous picks are gone so really it is irrelevant how many we have used recently on that positiom. Looking at the roster now, if a special safety was available we could use them.

[njx9]

Originally Posted by Timbathia

if the brass dont think the safetys we currently have are good enough, then we have to bring in another one. The previous picks are gone so really it is irrelevant how many we have used recently on that positiom. Looking at the roster now, if a special safety was available we could use them.

see, but that's my problem with it. do we really have any idea what we have? half of them have played one year, a couple have played 2 years. is that enough to get a read, and to basically give up on them? is barron good enough that it doesn't matter what we have?

[Timbathia]

Originally Posted by njx9

see, but that's my problem with it. do we really have any idea what we have? half of them have played one year, a couple have played 2 years. is that enough to get a read, and to basically give up on them? is barron good enough that it doesn't matter what we have?

I dont know the answer to any of those questions. Hopefully EFX does, but my point remains that IF Barron is considered a significant upgrade then we shouldnt avoid him just because we have taken a heap of safetys in the last few drafts.

At this stage ALL of the recent ones we have taken look like special teamers. I dont see them at practice or know what they were supposed to be doing each play. I really havent seen anywhere near enough to know if any of them can make the jump to quality starter level.

[Timbathia]

Originally Posted by njx9

i assume we're talking about michael bush? meh. why? he fits no role (see: mcgahee).

Willis had 250 out of 550 carries last year and got nicked up a lot. Even if he stays that healthy next season, which is best case scenario, there is still 200 carries for Bush and a hundred for a third down or speed back.

He isnt worth breaking the bank for, unless Willis couldnt go, but I think he would be very useful.

[Diehard]

Originally Posted by Timbathia

Willis had 250 out of 550 carries last year and got nicked up a lot. Even if he stays that healthy next season, which is best case scenario, there is still 200 carries for Bush and a hundred for a third down or speed back.

He isnt worth breaking the bank for, unless Willis couldnt go, but I think he would be very useful.

If we are looking to replace McGahee, then definitely bring Bush in. But having both on the roster seems like a lot of the same. I'd rather see a fast guy in the 2nd RB spot, with the 3rd RB being well-rounded enough to spell either spot.

Anyway, I'm almost certain we'll end up with a RB in the draft. Whether they are the complement to McGahee or his eventual successor remains to be seen.

[Diehard]

So I've seem three sources (Lombardi, Schefter, Freeman) say that Denver is one of the main players in the Manning hunt.

Does Elway remember how a powerful run game gave him two Championships at the end of his career? I think he does. I can actually see this working if they play their cards right. For example, on offense add:

Manning / Wayne / FA TE / Draft RB / Draft OL

That would leave the majority of draft picks to build the defense.

Whether or not we keep Tebow is a bit of a zero sum equation, because if they trade him you know they'll just draft another QB to groom behind Manning.

Of course, everything depends on a clean bill of health for Manning and a committment to protecting him with a solid OL / potent run game.

[njx9]

if schefter is saying it, i believe it.

but i don't like it.

[FlyingElvis]

Just posted in another thread, so plz excuse the lazy quote:

Originally Posted by FlyingElvis

As for Denver . . .

If Peyton (via his daddy ) didn't want to be on the same team as Andrew Luck, what makes any of you think it's even remotely possible he would join the Tebow circus?

The only way he goes to Denver is if Tebow is shipped somewhere else.

[njx9]

i think it's a different situation. i don't tebow is remotely a barrier to peyton playing, whereas luck, if not immediately, would be by year two. i think the fans that are actually here going to games aren't generally idiotic, it's just the espn mouth breathers. that said, if peyton comes in and *loses* here? i can't even imagine the backlash.

[FlyingElvis]

I agree there's a difference but think the pressure is all on Peyton, regardless. Having a big name "backup" has to be a concern for a guy his age w/potential arm strength concerns. Basically, I think he ends up looking over his shoulder with Tebow, too, and that just isn't happening. He'll have too many options available to choose a situation like that over Arizona or Seattle, where the QB options have proven they can't win.

[Diehard]

Vic Lombari touched on this in his report on the Manning situation.

http://denver.cbslocal.com/video/682...ed-in-manning/

I tend to agree with him that Tebow would be traded in this situation:

1. Tebow's value is relatively high after our playoff run

2. Tebow was never Elway's guy, so this provides a good excuse to move him

3. Peyton won't want Tebow looking over his shoulder

Bascially, the team gets the kind of passing attack they want (Peyton does the P/A as well as anyone) while resolving the internal dilemma re: Tebow. I can see that being a very appealing solution.

[Jimmy]

Originally Posted by Diehard

Vic Lombari touched on this in his report on the Manning situation.

http://denver.cbslocal.com/video/682...ed-in-manning/

I tend to agree with him that Tebow would be traded in this situation:

1. Tebow's value is relatively high after our playoff run

2. Tebow was never Elway's guy, so this provides a good excuse to move him

3. Peyton won't want Tebow looking over his shoulder

Bascially, the team gets the kind of passing attack they want (Peyton does the P/A as well as anyone) while resolving the internal dilemma re: Tebow. I can see that being a very appealing solution.

It would be somewhat of a cleansing feeling, at least in my opinion, if this were to unfold.

By no means is Manning "the future" of any franchise. He has 4 years left in his tank. I still think that he will elevate relatively any team he signs with into Superbowl contenders.

As much as I want to see him succeed, my humble opinion is that Tebow will not be an effective NFL quarterback from this point on. I am in the minority, but I am led to believe the EFX troop is on my side.

There are a few reasons why I think Peyton could end up in Denver:

1. Many of his other destinations have negatives attached to them

Washington

- This would involve playing against his brother 2 times a year. He reportedly wants to avoid this if possible. He also would like to stay in the AFC.

“A couple of different sources inside the organization have told me that Manning’s camp made it pretty clear to Redskins officials he doesn’t want to come here,” Russell said Thursday on SportsCenter (via ProFootball.com). "… There’s lots of reasons for that. His brother Eli, the colder weather, the whole situation down in Miami and so on and so forth. But unless that changes -- and I’m taking my sources at their word -- I don’t think Manning’s coming here to D.C.”

Read into that, and it's clear that Peyton isn't a fan of cold weather. So maybe Denver isn't the place he ends up, or Washington. Maybe Miami is the spot.

2. Miami

There's also the chance that he doesn't want to go up against Tom Brady 2 times a year, but that does not seem to be as strong of a deterrent as playing his brother. It depends on how much another ring matters to the guy.

All in all, I have no objections to signing Peyton Manning if he somehow ends up here. We should eat his enormous salary for 2-3 years. He's proven what he can turn a ****** club into. We'd have a legitimate chance to get to the super bowl, and we'd improve our odds twofold to win the division, regardless of our other shortcomings.

I'm a firm believer that a solid QB is, by far, the best way to win a division.

2. Tebow is in no way, shape or form, an obstacle to Manning getting here.
Elway doesn't want him, let's not fool ourselves with a single quote.

[Sloopy]

I encourage you all to check out my latest four round mock :)

http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51453

[Jimmy]

Originally Posted by Sloopy

I encourage you all to check out my latest four round mock :)

http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51453

Originally Posted by Sloopy

25. Denver Broncos – Michael Brockers DT LSU: The Tebow era is in full swing in Denver. Since Elway won’t be able to convince anyone of drafting a QB (especially this late) he will go BPA at a position of need to try and improve the overall talent level of the team. Brockers will be an impact player on the interior of that DL and add another element to that already mean defense.

25. Denver Broncos – LaMichael James RB Oregon: There may be no better fit in this draft than James to the Broncos. Certainly will add another wrinkle to this unorthodox offense.

Denver Broncos – Leonard Johnson CB Iowa State: Hurst himself a bit in the combine but I think he will be a steal here and it would be nice to get some promising youth into that secondary

25. Denver Broncos – Donte Paige-Moss DE North Carolina: This Tarheel comes with some baggage and this might be a bit early for him as a selection but was once considered a first rounder and might be worth the risk at this point in the draft.

You're going to make NJX happy, I can tell you that.

I'm not a huge LMJ fan, don't think he'd be the BRA before the mid 3rd. I'd rather see someone with a little more meat on their bones, a typical Fox/Studesville back. I don't see how we don't pull the trigger on Lamar Miller or Doug Martin in late round 2, though. I almost want to say that you forgot about Miller in your draft and slipped him in a little late. Not to say that I particularly love him.

[njx9]

i don't buy lamar miller as being all that good.

regarding peyton, i don't want a 38 year old, broken qb if it precludes in any way whatsoever, us drafting one next year.

[Diehard]

Originally Posted by Jimmy

There are a few reasons why I think Peyton could end up in Denver:

1. Many of his other destinations have negatives attached to them

Apparently, Washington is out. The brother-vs-brother thing appears to hold significant weight.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-the-redskins/

Russell appeared on SportsCenter Thursday and, citing multiple sources, reported that Manning doesn’t want to play in the nation’s capital and has already informed the team.

Looks like Miami and Denver in the lead right now.

Originally Posted by Jimmy

2. Tebow is in no way, shape or form, an obstacle to Manning getting here.
Elway doesn't want him, let's not fool ourselves with a single quote.

Agreed. As I said earlier, it actually solves the Tebow problem for the team.

Originally Posted by Sloopy

I encourage you all to check out my latest four round mock :)

http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51453

Nice work. I'll post comments in the thread.

[Jimmy]

Originally Posted by njx9

i don't buy lamar miller as being all that good.

regarding peyton, i don't want a 38 year old, broken qb if it precludes in any way whatsoever, us drafting one next year.

As someone who has previously compared Lamar to Tatum, neither do I. But I still recognize that most people think he has enormous potential. I think round 3 is about a round too late.

Peyton Manning- I think drafting a 36 year old, broken (but soon to be cleared) QB (who probably still has it) is a great move, and would improve our chances of drafting a young QB

1. It improves the likelihood that we get rid of TT enormous (this ties into #4)
2. It reduces the need for a veteran QB
3. It makes drafting a young QB so much more logical and appealing - throwing a quarterback better than Jim Sorgi under the arms of one of the best film hawks ever can only help.
4. Your starting QB is 36 years old. You have to consider the future soon.

Edit: Added bonus, we get rid of all the Gainesville Transplants