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View Poll Results: Who do you have rated higher?
Janoris Jenkins 24 41.38%
Dre Kirkpatrick 34 58.62%
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Old 03-03-2012, 10:54 PM    (permalink
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I know scheme fit/versatility can change the value depending on the team and that's perfectly fine to factor that in. But overall, who would you have rated higher on your board at this point?
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Jenkins is a little bit higher for me because he is the prototypical cornerback, but a lot of it depends on who you feel more comfortable with from a character perspective. The two are vastly different prospects but in terms of overall play it's close, with Kirkpatrick requiring a little bit more imagination.
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I think these 2 are closer than once thought, both will likely go in the late teen-mid 20 range. I give the edge to Kirkpatrick though, he has rare size/speed/skills combination for a prospect and has #1 CB potential. Jenkins looks like a very good zone CB that won't be able to match up with bigger WR's down the field.
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I prefer taller corners, so Kirkpatrick... also he's much cleaner from an off-field standpoint.

Jenkins is just south of 5'10" (5'9 3/4") and he's got all sorts of character reds, and neither of which are things I'm really comfortable with. I'd like my CBs to be at least 5'11" and not likely to get arrested.
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I prefer taller corners, so Kirkpatrick... also he's much cleaner from an off-field standpoint.

Jenkins is just south of 5'10" (5'9 3/4") and he's got all sorts of character reds, and neither of which are things I'm really comfortable with. I'd like my CBs to be at least 5'11" and not likely to get arrested.
I understand the height thing but when it comes to 'character concernz' I'd say it's a push.
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It's close, but I have to go with Jenkins.

Both are tremendous in zone coverage. Both are very instinctive. Both have done an excellent job playing the ball in the air against some really tough opposition in the SEC. Although Kirkpatrick is more physical and better in press-man, Jenkins is slightly more naturally talented. Jenkins is more fluid (Kirkpatrick is no slouch in this area obviously, Janoris just beats him here), has superior quick-twitch skills, and better change of direction ability

Jenkins' advantages are mainly because of his height. Easier for him to be quicker/fluid in man coverage, and because of that, he has the advantage over Kirkpatrick. Janoris might be undersized but anyone who watches him knows he is extremely skilled at tracking the ball in the air, contorting his body, and high pointing the pass with overall very good body control. Receivers do not have great success boxing him out.
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I voted Dre as I prefer guys who can man up and I am always tempted by big CBs.

Jenkins has serious skills though and if he can keep his nose clean will be an awesome zone corner.
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I voted Dre as I prefer guys who can man up and I am always tempted by big CBs.

Jenkins has serious skills though and if he can keep his nose clean will be an awesome zone corner.
Janoris is the better cornerback in both man and zone coverage if you ask me, but Kirkpatrick's size is so intriguing.
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Janoris is the better cornerback in both man and zone coverage if you ask me, but Kirkpatrick's size is so intriguing.
I guess I should have said man up (in any situation). Jenkins would not be able to man up against most #1 receivers (the bigger ones at least).

Regardless, I would probably draft him as a zone corner where I think he would be best suited.
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I voted Dre because I think Janoris' character concerns are significantly worse. Dre also has the higher upside IMO.
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I voted Dre because I think Janoris' character concerns are significantly worse. Dre also has the higher upside IMO.
I like Dre to, i think he may be a little more flexible as to where he can play. Agree with you on the character debate. Kirkpatrick's only concern was a little weed in his car i believe. Heck a lot of us would have been bagged and tagged if that were the case.
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Dre is the answer to the Gronkowskis and Grahams of the NFL.
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Jenkins gets the nod in my book... I think he has a #1 skill package no matter the scheme while Kirkpatrick will struggle when asked to man an island. His quick twitch athleticism and ability to change directions on a dime allows him to be effective with larger variety of WR types. While he is slightly below avg in terms of height his 32in arms are longer then Kirkpatrick's and he is 4 inches shorter. He has shown in the past that he has no issues defending players larger than him (AJ GREEN, ALSHON JEFFERY)

On the contrary, while Kirkpatrick's height and physical nature are appealing when defending larger WR's his height hinders his ability to stay low while backpeddling. Also, he is not explosive chasing quicker WR in and out of their breaks and could be subjected to double moves to create sepration. His best fit is going to be in a cover two system where he can press cover and roam in zone coverage knowing he has help behind him. In a scheme that runs a lot of single man coverage he profiles as a #2 imo. He could be effective as a FS covering TE's and Zoning over the top but will have to add some bulk to his thin frame.

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I'll take Jenkins. He doesn't have the size of Kirkpatrick, but he handled elite receivers with size at the college level better than anyone. I like Kirkpatrick too, I think they both will be number one corners. Jenkins performances against guys like AJ Green and Julio Jones show that he can match up with big receivers.
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I've currently got Janoris ahead of Dre.
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