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Old 02-26-2012, 09:11 PM    (permalink
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If I'm Tampa, I'd be looking at WR Michael Floyd. The more I watch him, the more I see Vincent Jackson comparison. Freeman needs help, but I think he needs more help at WR. If Mo-Clay is off the board, I'd trade down and select Floyd, who I think is a better WR than Blackmon.
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If I'm Tampa, I'd be looking at WR Michael Floyd. The more I watch him, the more I see Vincent Jackson comparison. Freeman needs help, but I think he needs more help at WR. If Mo-Clay is off the board, I'd trade down and select Floyd, who I think is a better WR than Blackmon.
What if you can't find a trade partner to move back ?
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Old 02-27-2012, 10:39 AM    (permalink
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What if you can't find a trade partner to move back ?
If somehow the top 4 go:

1. Luck
2. RG III
3. Claiborne
4. Richardson/Blackmon
5.????..............

There will be WR hungry teams or teams in dire need for a LT. Blackmon (if availiable, pending who trades with St. Louis) and Khalil won't be on teams radars ?

Again, the only way I see Tampa trading down is if Claiborne is off the board.
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Old 02-27-2012, 11:11 AM    (permalink
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If somehow the top 4 go:

1. Luck
2. RG III
3. Claiborne
4. Richardson/Blackmon
5.????..............

There will be WR hungry teams or teams in dire need for a LT. Blackmon (if availiable, pending who trades with St. Louis) and Khalil won't be on teams radars ?

Again, the only way I see Tampa trading down is if Claiborne is off the board.
Just don't see Minnesota passing on Khalil at this point. The only way I think they would is if they dealt out of 3 because of a great offer by someone else desperate for the premier LT in this class.

I think Tampa will be looking at 2 of the following 3 (Claiborne, Blackmon or Richardson). Perhaps they can move out if they can get a deal done with someone wanting the #1 WR or CB in this class but Claiborne would be tough to pass up considering the premium on corners if they can land someone like a Meachem/Maningham/Garcon via FA.
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If Kalil falls to 5 the Bucs will draft him move Penn to RT and be set for the next 5 years at both spots.
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I don't see how Kalil can fall to 5.
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I don't see how Kalil can fall to 5.
Thankfully he put the word IF at the front of the sentence!

But yeah, he isn't slipping.
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So we've come full circle.

There is a 90% chance Tampa WILL NOT trade their pick.

SHUT 'ER DOWN!
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I think you wasted your 2 hours. Tampa Bay will stay put. First, nobody ever traders up for a RB in the top 5 picks, the cost in picks is just too absurd to even contemplate. Richardson will be lucky as a RB to get picked in the top 10.
Second, to trade back, you need a buyer and I don't see a prospect worth the cost of trading up with Tampa Bay. RB's aren't that valued in the new passing first NFL and Claiborne just ran a 4.50 40 thereby removing himself from the elite category.

Luck and RG111 will go 1/2, Kalil will go #3 to Minny and after that there is a huge drop off in talent to the #4 pick never mind the #5 pick, so finding a trading partner willing to give up multiple picks for those slots seems very remote to me.
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The only way TB traded down would be for much less value then the chart says.
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Second, to trade back, you need a buyer and I don't see a prospect worth the cost of trading up with Tampa Bay. RB's aren't that valued in the new passing first NFL and Claiborne just ran a 4.50 40 thereby removing himself from the elite category.

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Really? He's not an elite player or prospect anymore because he ran a 4.5? News flash. CBs don';t get down in 3 point stances and run straight-line anymore. You need to have lateral movements and fluid hips so you can turn and run. He showed that on the field in ACTUAL games, as well in drills at the combine, where he flourished and impressed.

His stock is actually higher to the point Tampa may not see him at 5. He's a pure CB with ball skills.
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Really? He's not an elite player or prospect anymore because he ran a 4.5? News flash. CBs don';t get down in 3 point stances and run straight-line anymore. You need to have lateral movements and fluid hips so you can turn and run. He showed that on the field in ACTUAL games, as well in drills at the combine, where he flourished and impressed.

His stock is actually higher to the point Tampa may not see him at 5. He's a pure CB with ball skills.
Yeah. If anyone watched the DB drills, he was clearly the best CB out there. He had a few things to correct (all very correctable), but he definitely did almost everything right and had zero problem getting to the deep passes.

He had no trouble covering anyone in the SEC the past few years. His game speed should be fine.
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Yeah. If anyone watched the DB drills, he was clearly the best CB out there. He had a few things to correct (all very correctable), but he definitely did almost everything right and had zero problem getting to the deep passes.

He had no trouble covering anyone in the SEC the past few years. His game speed should be fine.
Yeah I know. It just puzzles me how some people take too much out of the combine. I mean, Ahmad Carrol ran a 4.27 and he was cut 3 years into the league because he was terrible.
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If Kalil falls to 5 the Bucs will draft him move Penn to RT and be set for the next 5 years at both spots.
Bingo. I'd be ecstatic if Kalil fell to the Bucs.
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Bingo. I'd be ecstatic if Kalil fell to the Bucs.
Penn is a LT. I don't think he can play RT and be successful. His best asset is pass protection and he does a very good job and is vastly underrated each year when it comes to the pro bowl selection.

I've seen many analysts wonder why he doesn't get enough credit and is a top 10 LT in this league and is still 27 years old. Why would we try to replace him?
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Penn is a LT. I don't think he can play RT and be successful. His best asset is pass protection and he does a very good job and is vastly underrated each year when it comes to the pro bowl selection.

I've seen many analysts wonder why he doesn't get enough credit and is a top 10 LT in this league and is still 27 years old. Why would we try to replace him?
Penn was a very good LT about 2-3 years ago. His game has dropped off considerably ever since he put on a huge amount of weight.
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Penn was a very good LT about 2-3 years ago. His game has dropped off considerably ever since he put on a huge amount of weight.
He just recieved a 6 year deal last offseason, where in terms, he showed up between 310-320 range and has known to kept that. And that is where you're wrong. You don't watch much tape. He was a Pro Bowler in 2010 and had another solid season last year. I think he needs help at LG, as Zuttah is more of a fit at Center.

Seriously, why address a position that isn't a need at all.
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