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Old 03-02-2012, 11:53 AM    (permalink
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Oh yes. What's not to like?

Stiff, only speed rushes, gets high on contact. I don't hate him like I used too, but he's not one of the best prospects in the class. Not at all.
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Stiff, only speed rushes, gets high on contact. I don't hate him like I used too, but he's not one of the best prospects in the class. Not at all.
Meh he's stiff but not to where it actually hinders him or his game. It's just something to point out as far as I'm concerned...Not to mention its becoming the new "he takes plays off" that 300+ pound DTs get for 3-4 OLB prospects.

Completely disagree on the speed rush...he can bull rush, hes got a spin move, and he swims.

IMO throw him in the pile of guys you can plug and play and expect competence from. Underrated. I'm going to go as far as saying I'd take him over Ingram if I was a 3-4 team.
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. I'm going to go as far as saying I'd take him over Ingram if I was a 3-4 team.
People are underrating Ingram. and Upshaw. These guys are football players thru and thru.
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Buyer Beware.

Perry has good games and then disappears for the next 6.
He was a nightmare for my Huskies. I think in the right defense (3-4) he is going to be invaluable chasing down the new eral of mobile QBs. Hoping for him to land at one of the two New England picks.
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He was a nightmare for my Huskies. I think in the right defense (3-4) he is going to be invaluable chasing down the new eral of mobile QBs. Hoping for him to land at one of the two New England picks.
Perry is on record saying he prefers to play with his hand on the ground, not standing up as a 34 backer.
I expect he does to a conventional 43 defense.

LOL at everyone who says a guy takes plays off, or disappears for stretches.

So does DeMarcus Ware, Von Miller, etc. They disappear at times when teams focus on stopping them.
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People are underrating Ingram. and Upshaw. These guys are football players thru and thru.
As is Perry...who is the biggest and best athlete of the three.

I'm starting to think Perry is more underrated than either. From what I've been reading on forums it's almost like he's being penalized for having great workout numbers at the combine...As if that's all the junior with 21 career sacks at USC is about. Pop on some Perry and he's a better mover than Upshaw while being a much better pass rusher than Ingram.
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He's one of those guys who's tough to figure out. He's a power rusher with closing speed like Carlos Dunlap, except he's not built like that kind of traditional defensive end.
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Is the difference between this guy and Orakpo basically Orakpo staying for his senior season and letting the beat build?
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The dude posted a 83.83 KEI...

That's the highest I've ever seen from anyone. JJ Watt had an 81 last year, and that was the highest I've seen since, what? Woodley? Those two guys have done pretty good.
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He's stiff? That can be taught out of a player. His potential is through the roof. Its not like his 13 TFL and 8.5 sacks aren't productive last year.
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As is Perry...who is the biggest and best athlete of the three.
perry is the best athlete in a straight line. Force to change direction, backpedal or run sideline to sideline, there are many better athletes.

if there is a top 12 surprise DE it's Mercilus not Perry.
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perry is the best athlete in a straight line. Force to change direction, backpedal or run sideline to sideline, there are many better athletes.

if there is a top 12 surprise DE it's Mercilus not Perry.
I'll laugh at whoever takes Mercilus top 15.
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I'll laugh at whoever takes Mercilus top 15.
Why? He's a one hit wonder, sure...but he's a helluva pass rusher. I could see Miami taking him if they deem him worthy. Its not like his combine hurt his stock or anything.
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Can someone translate this into english for me.
My guess is he is trying to mock someone who has brain damage from concussions and cannot formulate sentences? If true, disgraceful.

Either that, or it is some cheap attempt to promote the sale of baseball hats?
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Meh he's stiff but not to where it actually hinders him or his game. It's just something to point out as far as I'm concerned...Not to mention its becoming the new "he takes plays off" that 300+ pound DTs get for 3-4 OLB prospects.

Completely disagree on the speed rush...he can bull rush, hes got a spin move, and he swims.

IMO throw him in the pile of guys you can plug and play and expect competence from. Underrated. I'm going to go as far as saying I'd take him over Ingram if I was a 3-4 team.

Tightness is definitely a legitamate concern from someone who soley runs the arc.

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Why? He's a one hit wonder, sure...but he's a helluva pass rusher. I could see Miami taking him if they deem him worthy. Its not like his combine hurt his stock or anything.
Let me start by saying, he's purely a pass rusher. Not a good run defender at all. Might not be the biggest deal considering the NFL game, but still not ideal for someone we are talking about going this early.

Also, I just feel as if when there's contact, he's done. Struggles to disengage, gets upright, loses leverage, etc. Also, I haven't charted all of his sacks, but it seems like he made a quite a few of his plays from the DT spot. I suppose you can argue that means he has some versatility and the DC coordinator can be creative with him, but when someone's production blows up one year and they're doing a lot of it from unique usage (Jamaal Anderson, DaQuan Bowers) it scares me.
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1. Then it's a good thing he does more than run the arc.

2. It's also a good thing that that tightness can be worked on.
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1. Then it's a good thing he does more than run the arc.

2. It's also a good thing that that tightness can be worked on.


If you say so. I haven't seen him do all that much besides his speed rush personally. And I don't see any kind of explosiveness/suddeness when trying to change direction. I'll try and find some more tape since you seem pretty adament about this.
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The thing about Perry is he reminds me so much of Aldon Smith sometimes, and I hated Aldon Smith. The other thing is, Aldon Smith dominated as a rookie. So where does that leave me? Confused. No idea what to make of him as a prospect.

I'll tell you one thing though, Perry doesn't have the inside counter that works so god damned well for Smith.
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The thing about Perry is he reminds me so much of Aldon Smith sometimes, and I hated Aldon Smith. The other thing is, Aldon Smith dominated as a rookie. So where does that leave me? Confused. No idea what to make of him as a prospect.

I'll tell you one thing though, Perry doesn't have the inside counter that works so god damned well for Smith.

^^^. I think Aldon's leg injury wasn't accounted for another and made him look unimpressive at times though...I also don't think Perry has the same kind of hand usage as Aldon (although Perry's is good).
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