Saints violate "bounty rule" - Page 15

ATLDirtyBirds · 03-06-2012, 11:49 AM

This has serious potential for me...I'd at least be stress free for the regular season before we lose round 1!

Complex · 03-06-2012, 11:49 AM

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commissioner said, “God forbid this is true. This will be earth-shattering.”

Sounds like a line from a corny movie. Anyway I don't know its earth shattering since it already happen in the NFL and college football.

FlyingElvis · 03-06-2012, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Complex

Sounds like a line from a corny movie. Anyway I don't know its earth shattering since it already happen in the NFL and college football.

Seriously. Goodell is such a goddam drama queen.

Though, to be fair, he probably only meant the way the media would run it would be earth shattering, in which case he's right. Every outlet is feeding the idiot masses the same nonsense and we all know how easy it is for the idiot masses to soak that **** up like a giant, ******** sponge.

BeerBaron · 03-06-2012, 12:08 PM

Boo, page trapped!

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Fun nuggets:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ulture-change/

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...Goodell is furious about the bounties and planning to take severe action.

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...when Goodell first heard the allegations of the Saints paying bounties, the commissioner said, “God forbid this is true. This will be earth-shattering.”

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Former Saints defensive coordinator Gregg Williams appears to be in very deep trouble with Goodell, as comparisons continue to be raised with the 1963 case in which Commissioner Pete Rozelle suspended Paul Hornung and Alex Karras for an entire season for their involvement in gambling. According to King, when Goodell first confronted Williams with evidence that he had been involved in paying bounties, Williams denied it, which will surely not win Williams any points.

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Saints head coach Sean Payton may be in big trouble as well, with one league source involved in the investigation saying the way Payton ran things “Reminds me of the Nixon White House.”

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Originally Posted by njx9

not entirely true. player safety for highly marketable players makes the nfl money. the nfl would see ensuring that tom brady (for instance) doesn't miss another season as highly in its own interest.

The "lawsuits" from the former players demanding obscene sums of money for their injuries is the part where the losing money comes from.

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Originally Posted by ATLDirtyBirds

This has serious potential for me...I'd at least be stress free for the regular season before we lose round 1!

You might even get to host that first round loss! That's like winning the Superbowl to the Falcons!

J-Mike88 · 03-06-2012, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by descendency

I don't think he's talking about the channels; I think he's talking about the content between sporting events.

Perhaps, but I think he just liked to *****, or listen to himself speak.

Speaking of giggles..... Goodell being called a "drama queen". That one is funny.

Everyone loves to ***** about the man in charge.
Rebels.

The facts are, as BeerBarron has pointed out, is that there are millions and millions of dollars at stake vs the NFL in lawsuits by former players for not taking measures to reduce injuries, and here we have a whole ogranization who was paying their guys extra money to inflict injuries.

What's so hard for a few people to grasp about that?

I hope Sean Payton is banned from the league like Pete Rose was.
You think THAT would send a statement? Would that stop assistant coaches from allowing it to happen?

I know we have a lot of punks who talk tough and act like injuries are fine, but these are people getting injured, severely, and those in charge of the league must take all steps they can to remove as much risk of injury as possible.

Not just natural grass, better equipment, etc. but also strongly enforcing all rules that can reduce some risk.

njx9 · 03-06-2012, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron

The "lawsuits" from the former players demanding obscene sums of money for their injuries is the part where the losing money comes from.

i would've assumed that those were paid out of insurance, rather than league coffers. it probably hurts the NFL's premium, but i can't imagine that's a really substantive effect. either way, i'm just being pedantic.

killxswitch · 03-06-2012, 12:21 PM

I don't know why we have to keep establishing this. Every team does NOT do this because every team doesn't have the coaching staff running it. It usually a player thing. Big difference. Also, the Saints got caught and no one else did. "Everyone else does it too" has never been and never will be a good excuse in these situations.

A Perfect Score · 03-06-2012, 12:29 PM

It's kind of unfortunate that guys like Payton and Williams could be suspended for long periods of time. Both are masterful X's and O's guys, and I love watching their respective units play so much. Gregg Williams has always had one of my favorite defenses to watch, you gotta give it up for a guy willing to bring the heat every play. I guess the whole bounty thing kind of explains that though...Boo.

Steady Lurkin · 03-06-2012, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by njx9

i would've assumed that those were paid out of insurance, rather than league coffers. it probably hurts the NFL's premium, but i can't imagine that's a really substantive effect. either way, i'm just being pedantic.

Winner winner, chicken dinner.

Brown Leader · 03-06-2012, 04:02 PM

Ryan Clark is the truth...

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:7647764

diabsoule · 03-06-2012, 06:29 PM

Joe Horn sounds off on "bounties" in the NFL. Good stuff here and keep in mind he played for the Chiefs, Saints, and Falcons.

http://msn.foxsports.com/video/NFL?v...Home/headlines

Brent · 03-06-2012, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by killxswitch

"Everyone else does it too" has never been and never will be a good excuse in these situations.

That's because it's a logical fallacy.

descendency · 03-06-2012, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Mike88

Everyone loves to ***** about the man in charge.
Rebels.

Completely off topic, but that reminded me of a conversation I had with a friend.

Her: "Why do you always spell your name with a lower case letter?"
Me: "Because I'm a rebel and bitches love rebels."

Just thought I'd share.

J-Mike88 · 03-07-2012, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by descendency

Completely off topic, but that reminded me of a conversation I had with a friend.

Her: "Why do you always spell your name with a lower case letter?"
Me: "Because I'm a rebel and bitches love rebels."

Just thought I'd share.

That is funny.

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Originally Posted by njx9

you either have no vague understanding of what a cheap shot is, or a serious disconnect with reality.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...wSkMU8#t=38 s

You're wrong again! Congrats.
Pause it at the 39-40 second mark. Note the LEADING WITH HELMET part from Smith. And he lead with the crown of his helmet right into the receivers face. This might explain why Boldin's face was broken from the impact with the hard helmet crown from Smith.

The announcer, former NFL player, said "That's helmet to helmet... should have been flagged". Then Billick said that's "Obviously gonna bring about a fine". Penalized and fined because..... cheap, dirty shot, per common sense and the rulebook.

So again, you're flatout wrong -again.
You can't even see things right in front of you like this, able to pause, rewind, etc.?
No wonder why so many of your other opinions are wrong.

njx9 · 03-07-2012, 08:25 AM

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You're wrong again! Congrats.
Pause it at the 39-40 second mark. Note the LEADING WITH HELMET part from Smith. And he lead with the crown of his helmet right into the receivers face. This might explain why Boldin's face was broken from the impact with the hard helmet crown from Smith.

did you actually watch the video? do you have any vague understanding of WHY his helmet went into boldin's face? might it have possibly been because boldin was pushed from behind? or is that just too complicated for you to sort out? i know it takes the understanding that multiple things can happen at the same time, but i would've figured most people had sorted that out by now. then again, when literally everything somehow relates back to the packers, i guess i can see where i went wrong.

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The announcer, former NFL player, said "That's helmet to helmet... should have been flagged". Then Billick said that's "Obviously gonna bring about a fine". Penalized and fined because..... cheap, dirty shot, per common sense and the rulebook.

cool story! should i start finding clips of everytime announcers said idiotic things, just in case you keep trying to push yet another logical fallacy?

perhaps i can just quote anquan boldin, since you seem to think that kind of crap actually has some bearing:

"Boldin repeated his belief that it was just "an unfortunate incident" and nothing malicious..."A guy hit me from the behind so I couldn't absorb the blow like I usually do from in front," Boldin said. "… My helmet kind of lifted up and the guy hit me square on."" - http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3654002

further, are you just covering up for the simple fact that you still have no clue what a cheap shot is? there's a literal world of difference between haynesworth stomping on some dude and boldin getting sandwiched between two players.

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So again, you're flatout wrong -again.

nothing you've posted backs up that assertion in any remote way.

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You can't even see things right in front of you like this, able to pause, rewind, etc.?
No wonder why so many of your other opinions are wrong.

seriously? in the video i posted for you to look at? and you accuse ME of not being able to see what's going on? nice. i'm glad you're taking this opportunity to look even more foolish than you ordinarily do.

BeerBaron · 03-07-2012, 08:46 AM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...bout-bounties/

Interesting:

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And now the fingers are being pointed at Gibbs.

“That’s just too stupid,” former Redskins offensive lineman George Starke recently said, via the Washington Post. “Of course he knew.”

Starke explained the procedures that applied when he played with the team in the 1980s. “[i]n the meeting after the game, Joe Gibbs would come in, he’d have a fistful of $100 bills,” Starke said. “And if Dexter knocked the quarterback down three times, he would get three hundred-dollar bills. And Joe would pass the money out in the meeting, and we would have to duck.”

Still irrelevant when it comes to the Saints situation, but it's more evidence that this is a wide spread phenomenon. The Saints just got caught.

Taber21 · 03-07-2012, 08:47 AM

Eric Smith still led with his helmet. If he hit him in the chest and Boldin was not injured, Eric Smith still would have knocked himself out because he led with the crown of his helmet. It doesn't look like he was going in trying to hit Boldin in the face, just make a hit on the receiver to knock the ball out, but the fact he led with his helmet is why the play looks/ended up so badly.

FlyingElvis · 03-07-2012, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by BeerBaron

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...bout-bounties/

Interesting:

Still irrelevant when it comes to the Saints situation, but it's more evidence that this is a wide spread phenomenon. The Saints just got caught.

I can't believe anyone reasonable would believe, even for a second, that Gibbs didn't know. The very first thing that popped into my mind when I heard on NFLN that Gibbs denied any knowledge of it was "BULL****!"

I'm glad Joe Horn has the decency to be honest about this. I really hope Williams doesn't get a lifetime ban from the NFL. I don't think that's even remotely fair or reasonable.

zachsaints52 · 03-07-2012, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by A Perfect Score

It's kind of unfortunate that guys like Payton and Williams could be suspended for long periods of time. Both are masterful X's and O's guys, and I love watching their respective units play so much. Gregg Williams has always had one of my favorite defenses to watch, you gotta give it up for a guy willing to bring the heat every play. I guess the whole bounty thing kind of explains that though...Boo.

Watching Greg Williams coach this last year sucked to be honest. He was pretty simple in what he did, and he never learned that FREAKING ROMAN HARPER CANT COVER.

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Joe Horn sounds off on "bounties" in the NFL. Good stuff here and keep in mind he played for the Chiefs, Saints, and Falcons.

http://msn.foxsports.com/video/NFL?v...Home/headlines

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Originally Posted by FlyingElvis

I can't believe anyone reasonable would believe, even for a second, that Gibbs didn't know. The very first thing that popped into my mind when I heard on NFLN that Gibbs denied any knowledge of it was "BULL****!"

I'm glad Joe Horn has the decency to be honest about this. I really hope Williams doesn't get a lifetime ban from the NFL. I don't think that's even remotely fair of reasonable.

Joe Horn speaks the truth.

BaLLiN · 03-07-2012, 11:46 AM

That Boldin hit was not dirty.You have a lot of players in a crowded area. The receiver has to understand that thats dangerous and injuries happen when you can't defend yourself because you aren't focusing on how you are falling or who is around you but only on the ball.

J-Mike88 · 03-07-2012, 12:48 PM

Jets safety Eric Smith fined, banned for hit on Cards' Anquan Boldin
Monday, September 29, 2008

Eric Smith said he was knocked unconscious and doesn't remember anything from his frightening, helmet-to-helmet hit Sunday on Cardinals wide receiver Anquan Boldin. But he'll probably never forget the penalty handed down by the NFL.

The Jets' starting safety was suspended one game and fined $50,000 for a "flagrant violation of player safety rules," the league announced Monday.

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That Boldin hit was not dirty.

Really? Is that your eyes telling you that, or is it nrx9 that you're blindly following along here?

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Eric Smith still led with his helmet. If he hit him in the chest and Boldin was not injured, Eric Smith still would have knocked himself out because he led with the crown of his helmet. It doesn't look like he was going in trying to hit Boldin in the face, just make a hit on the receiver to knock the ball out, but the fact he led with his helmet is why the play looks/ended up so badly.

That's obvious and plain as day, except to certain blind fools.

Whether or not Q was pushed for behind doesn't change the fact that Smith's eyes were facing DOWN, because his helmet crown was facing into the receiver.

Some tough guys with the "moderator" label would love to dispute the fact for some reason, but again, everyone else can see the obvious, including Brian Billick and the other announcer there. It's funny NRX can pretend that he's smarter than both those guys and the rest of us who can see it. And because he has the moderator tag, some followers will go along with him.

Taber21, I'm proud you let your eyes and brain convince you what happened and don't let the moderator little napolean complex bully run you over. He would love us all to believe that the announcers, and the league officials who administered the fines and suspension were all erroneous with their judgment of the play, that we all are seeing it wrong, and him right.

Many of our younger forum members buy this guy's BS because of the moderator tag and the big rep # he has. It's nice to see a man not let him BS everyone.

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Eric Smith fined $10K for hit on Emmanuel Sanders
January 28, 2011

Jets safety Eric Smith did a pretty good job filling in for Jim Leonhard after Leonhard's season-ending injury. But it also ending him costing him, financially, as the safety was reportedly hit with a $10,000 fine for his helmet-leading hit on Emmanuel Sanders in the second quarter of the AFC Championship game.

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Jets DB Eric Smith fined $7,500 for hit on Welker
Sep 25, 2010

Jets DB Eric Smith, who crushed Wes Welker’s noggin, drew a 15-yarder for the hit.

And, as it turns out, Smith was fined $7,500 for his head-hunting hit.

njx9 · 03-07-2012, 01:53 PM

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Some tough guys with the "moderator" label would love to dispute the fact for some reason, but again, everyone else can see the obvious, including Brian Billick and the other announcer there. It's funny NRX can pretend that he's smarter than both those guys and the rest of us who can see it. And because he has the moderator tag, some followers will go along with him.

ok, i see what this is about. are you feeling a bit persecuted? what, specifically, does the moderator tag have to do with anything? jbond and d-unit have a bloody admin tag, are you suggesting no one's publicly (and sometimes violently) disagreed with them?

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Taber21, I'm proud you let your eyes and brain convince you what happened and don't let the moderator little napolean complex bully run you over.

cool debate, bro. little napoleon* complex? seriously?

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He would love us all to believe that the announcers, and the league officials who administered the fines and suspension were all erroneous with their judgment of the play, that we all are seeing it wrong, and him right.

so you're suggesting that announcers are never wrong, and that league officials are never wrong? what about when they disagree? do you firmly believe that james harrison is the dirtiest player of all time, based solely on the number of fines he's received? also, who's "we all"? who, specifically, do you think you're speaking for? certainly not boldin himself. or the rest of the cardinals' team - "None of the Cardinals accused Smith of delivering a cheap shot." (*)

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Many of our younger forum members buy this guy's BS because of the moderator tag and the big rep # he has. It's nice to see a man not let him BS everyone.

yup, that's the only reason why anyone ever agrees with me. fantastic. let me guess, next you're going to swear at me for a bit? that'd sort of fit in with the progression here.

Jvig43 · 03-07-2012, 02:27 PM

Does this count as a personal attack against a mod?

Lets make a thread about it.

BeerBaron · 03-07-2012, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Jvig43

Does this count as a personal attack against a mod?

Lets make a thread about it.

Oh great, another Packers thread...

Jvig43 · 03-07-2012, 02:33 PM

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Oh great, another Packers thread...

You have to love the Packer injuries discussion brought up in this thread by him.