Saints violate "bounty rule"

[Brown Leader]

Originally Posted by J-Mike88

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Really? Is that your eyes telling you that, or is it nrx9 that you're blindly following along here?

That's obvious and plain as day, except to certain blind fools.

Whether or not Q was pushed for behind doesn't change the fact that Smith's eyes were facing DOWN, because his helmet crown was facing into the receiver.

Some tough guys with the "moderator" label would love to dispute the fact for some reason, but again, everyone else can see the obvious, including Brian Billick and the other announcer there. It's funny NRX can pretend that he's smarter than both those guys and the rest of us who can see it. And because he has the moderator tag, some followers will go along with him.

Taber21, I'm proud you let your eyes and brain convince you what happened and don't let the moderator little napolean complex bully run you over. He would love us all to believe that the announcers, and the league officials who administered the fines and suspension were all erroneous with their judgment of the play, that we all are seeing it wrong, and him right.

Many of our younger forum members buy this guy's BS because of the moderator tag and the big rep # he has. It's nice to see a man not let him BS everyone.

lol. Uhhh, I don't neg rep, but if I did, plainly your deserving it here. "Everyone else can see the obvious" ? Since the first time I saw that hit live, it was pretty clear that Boldin was pushed, changing the target area, and making the hit more devastating then it would've been.

[FlyingElvis]

Originally Posted by Brown Leader

lol. Uhhh, I don't neg rep, but if I did, plainly your deserving it here. "Everyone else can see the obvious" ? Since the first time I saw that hit live, it was pretty clear that Boldin was pushed, changing the target area, and making the hit more devastating then it would've been.

There really was no other way to possibly read that bolded part . . .

[J-Mike88]

Originally Posted by Brown Leader

Since the first time I saw that hit live, it was pretty clear that Boldin was pushed, changing the target area, and making the hit more devastating then it would've been.

You're just smarter than the NFL officials then, who reviewed the hit over & over, as well as the announcers, and anyone else. Wow.

Also, it doesn't matter if someone else pushed Boldin or not fool. That's not why the hit was worthy of a fine. SMITH LOWERED HIS HEAD AND LED WITH THE CROWN OF HIS HELMET. Did someone push him too?

[diabsoule]

Here's a great article from the Wall Street Journal explaining how the Saints earned little money when it came to bounties

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...sj_share_tweet

[bigbluedefense]

I'm gonna be honest with you guys. I'm all bounty gated out. I can't stand hearing about it anymore.

Just hand down the punishments so we can move on already.

[YAYareaRB]

How much does Vernon and Alex get for "knocking out" the saints from the playoffs? :) had to do it

[Kid_Ego]

How about saving the bounty money andbpay these players to freakin tackle most of these guys can't tackle worth a crap they have no choice but to resort to cheap tactics. How about a reward system for shutting the f up playingbthe game with morals and integrity and making good old fashion tackles

[zachsaints52]

Originally Posted by YAYareaRB

How much does Vernon and Alex get for "knocking out" the saints from the playoffs? :) had to do it

Should be equal to cutting Roman Harper...

Originally Posted by Kid_Ego

How about saving the bounty money andbpay these players to freakin tackle most of these guys can't tackle worth a crap they have no choice but to resort to cheap tactics. How about a reward system for shutting the f up playingbthe game with morals and integrity and making good old fashion tackles

Very few players make actual wrap up tackles anymore.

Id love to see video of Saints players doing cheap tactics... Besides Roman Harper to Steve Smith last year at Carolina.

[zachsaints52]

Originally Posted by YAYareaRB

How much does Vernon and Alex get for "knocking out" the saints from the playoffs? :) had to do it

Should be equal to cutting Roman Harper...

Originally Posted by Kid_Ego

How about saving the bounty money andbpay these players to freakin tackle most of these guys can't tackle worth a crap they have no choice but to resort to cheap tactics. How about a reward system for shutting the f up playingbthe game with morals and integrity and making good old fashion tackles

Very few players make actual wrap up tackles anymore.

Id love to see video of Saints players doing cheap tactics... Besides Roman Harper to Steve Smith last year at Carolina.

[Saints-Tigers]

Donte Whitner's hit was dirtier than anything. TEH LOWERED HELMUT

[Ness]

Originally Posted by Saints-Tigers

Donte Whitner's hit was dirtier than anything. TEH LOWERED HELMUT

It was a legal hit though because Thomas wasn't a defenseless player.

[Ness]

Gregg Williams last sighting leaving the Saints facility.

[niel89]

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

I'm gonna be honest with you guys. I'm all bounty gated out. I can't stand hearing about it anymore.

Just hand down the punishments so we can move on already.

I agree man. I barely have looked at this thread because I don't really care about the bounties. They are stupid for being so open and getting caught. This just means future teams will either not do it at all (not likely) or just be quiet about it. Just tell me what the Saints lose so we can move on, and then complain about how the punishments were too severe.

[Complex]

No one cares about bounty gate. I haven't heard anything about since Peyton got cut. The NFL should of waited till like Tuesday night to release this info. The media is not as shocked and appalled as they were on Friday.

[Flyboy]

*sees thread*

...

*walks away*

Not even going there in this one.

[Bert Macklin]

Then-Saints defensive coordinator came up with the plan as a tax dodge when his old system of fining players for leaving opponents unhurt generated too much income

The 31 NFL defensive coordinators who are not Gregg Williams heard the words "NFL bounty scandal" and began sweating
Unfortunately, no Saints player was able to collect the $500,000 bounty offered to anyone who destroyed that stupid pirate ship in Tampa Bay's stadium
Some players felt the bounties were cruel and wrongheaded, as the bonus for player death was only $500

When the bounty program was suspended out of fear of discovery during the 2010 playoffs, Saints defensive players went on a tackling strike against Marshawn Lynch and the Seahawks in the Wild Card round
One of the few positive aspects of the bounty system was that Saints players volunteered to brutally injure middle school bullies free of charge as part of the NFL's United Way initiative

Pool to injure Brett Favre was actually funded by fans across the country, every other team in the league, and the NFL itself

http://www.theonion.com/articles/det...scandal,27589/

[Saints-Tigers]

Originally Posted by Ness

It was a legal hit though because Thomas wasn't a defenseless player.

The whole team is defenseless. That's why we needed to give incentive to play defense.

[Ness]

Originally Posted by Saints-Tigers

The whole team is defenseless. That's why we needed to give incentive to play defense.

[Rabscuttle]

I really don't like the idea of bounties to injure other players. It leaves a bad taste, but isn't the end of the world for me. The outside money and possible gambling issues that can result are more concerning.

What coaches and players really should wonder is what the real effects of bounties actually are.

If guys are being rewarded for knockout shots and turnovers and see these as priorities being emphasized by coaches, I can really see guys taking their eyes off what really wins games. Playing your position instead of free-lancing, wrapping up and tackling a guy on the spot instead of going for the knockout that so often results in extra yardage and even touchdowns, penalties that result in first downs. Good things happen on the field as a result of sound fundamentals and playing in scheme where everybody is in position to support each other.

I understand the camaraderie that comes about, but that's what battling through training camp and then dealing with a common enemy brings naturally without the risk of what the bounties can bring.

[CJSchneider]

Originally Posted by Rabscuttle

If guys are being rewarded for knockout shots and turnovers and see these as priorities being emphasized by coaches, I can really see guys taking their eyes off what really wins games.

Well, this just my opinion, but when I was a player and as a coach, I held this belief.
If I send you back to the bench for a few plays, the person who comes in to replace you is not as good as you are. That serves as a benefit to my team.

Have I ever told a kid to hurt someone on purpose? No, but you better believe I tell them to drive their tackles all the way into the ground. You better believe I teach kids that if they are the second person on a tackle for them to put their helmet (facemask) on the ball.

[Brothgar]

to me "bountygate" should be treated worse than "spygate"

[CJSchneider]

Originally Posted by broth223

to me "bountygate" should be treated worse than "spygate"

thank you for my new wall-paper.

[BeerBaron]

You know what's sad? Even the empire was torn on whether or not to use bounty hunters. "We don't need their scum."

So does this mean the Saints leadership is worse than the empire?

[J-Mike88]

Originally Posted by CJSchneider

Well, this just my opinion, but when I was a player and as a coach, I held this belief.
If I send you back to the bench for a few plays, the person who comes in to replace you is not as good as you are. That serves as a benefit to my team.

Have I ever told a kid to hurt someone on purpose? No, but you better believe I tell them to drive their tackles all the way into the ground. You better believe I teach kids that if they are the second person on a tackle for them to put their helmet (facemask) on the ball.

The difference that I have observed that pisses me off is when the blitzers or DL guys are going at a QB and they see he's thrown the ball, that they then still take the liberty to drill the guy (who is pretty defenseless at that moment) into the ground.
They're not trying for a sack.
They're trying only to hurt the QB.

The hit shown on Manning by the Redskins was an example of this.
So was the hit on Favre (Vikings-Saints NFCCG) the play after a personal foul call, and they got away with this one because the ref was a chickenschit *****. Of course the league fined the player fot the hit.
The hit on Romo 2 years ago by Boley of the Giants was after he threw it already, and Boley knew it. He still intentially pile-drove him into the turf.

I don't mind QBs getting crushed when they have the ball, in the pocket or scrambling. That's part of the game.

But I see too often, defensive guys intentionally trying to injure the QB after he's let the ball go.

Of course I like when my Packers guys do it to QBs like Brees, Cutler, Stafford, Eli, etc. But I'd rather the league stops it because star QBs going out with broken collar bones or shoulders, neck injuries, is not good for the game.

The collegiate hit by BYU on Bradford was another example that I clearly remember. Only intent was to do what he did, injure the player. That helped them win the game.