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Old 03-12-2012, 03:01 PM    (permalink
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I am really pissed. This hurts us bad.
Blame Jones and Synder. It sounds like all the owners were aware of the rules and told not to violate them.
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why? was it an uncapped year or not? it can't be kind of an uncapped year. shocker jones and snyder are the ones hit. seems biased to me and unfair.
What other team blantantly did the same thing these two teams did?
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why? was it an uncapped year or not? it can't be kind of an uncapped year. shocker jones and snyder are the ones hit. seems biased to me and unfair.
Saints and Raiders were hit also, but not as bad. apparently only to the tune of 1.6 million.

It was uncapped and everyone was warned not to load contracts on that year or there would be repercussions.

Seems like 32 people that mattered took a vote and majority won. It seemed unfair to the ones who followed said warning.
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Saints and Raiders were hit also, but not as bad. apparently only to the tune of 1.6 million.

It was uncapped and everyone was warned not to load contracts on that year or there would be repercussions.

Seems like 32 people that mattered took a vote and majority won. It seemed unfair to the ones who followed said warning.
I get what you're saying it just seems like bad business. if the year was uncapped it was uncapped other owners teams with less money to pay cash bonuses kind of just seem bitter because they weren't able to do what they did. if these were the rules I think they should be able to appeal
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Shouldn't the NFL have voided the contracts when they were signed? I mean don't you have to get contracts approved by the league office?
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Blame Jones and Synder. It sounds like all the owners were aware of the rules and told not to violate them.
A rule that is only a word of mouth rule is not a rule. If it was a rule, then the league shouldn't have allowed them to do it in the first place.

This is sooo NCAA.
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what the hell? Packers need to get hit.
For what... Tramon Williams? There was no wrong doing.
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A rule that is only a word of mouth rule is not a rule. If it was a rule, then the league shouldn't have allowed them to do it in the first place.

This is sooo NCAA.
They were cautioned about doing it six times. Six. If someone tells you not to do something once, and then tells you not to do something again, and then tells you FOUR MORE TIMES, and you STILL DO IT.. well, I don't know what to tell you.
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They were cautioned about doing it six times. Six. If someone tells you not to do something once, and then tells you not to do something again, and then tells you FOUR MORE TIMES, and you STILL DO IT.. well, I don't know what to tell you.
Who told them?
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This really doesn't hurt either team at all......
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people have to look at the legalities/technicalites. a contract was signed and after the fact because some owners didnt like the fact that the uncapped year could allow teams like the skins and cowboys to do this made them upset. so the league says hey were warning you dont do this even though we have no right to tell you not to because there is nothing written in the contract that says we can. now they penalize them 24 hours before the FA market opens, freaking ridiculous....this is really bad business on the NFL imo and the boys and skins should appeal.
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PFT says they were warned six times about it so if they still went on with it they were just dumb. The hilarious footnote is that the Raiders didn't get the 1.6 million in cap space the other teams are getting because of Jamarcus Russell contract dumping. The gift that keeps on giving.
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That warning stuff is ********. That's not even legal
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that's my main problem also the timing. how can u wait until this long to decide this? team are just now learning what their cap number is..... are you kidding me?
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why? was it an uncapped year or not? it can't be kind of an uncapped year. shocker jones and snyder are the ones hit. seems biased to me and unfair.
Teams were told before the uncapped year that excessive (read idiotic) spending would not go unpunished. Your team went out and did it anyways and now you complain about being punished for something your owner was explicitly told not to do?! Go cry me a ******* river why don't you? This is an awesome punishment, I love it.
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that's my main problem also the timing. how can u wait until this long to decide this? team are just now learning what their cap number is..... are you kidding me?
They could have learned about this a while ago. Did it say anywhere that the teams were blindsided by it? It might just be getting to the media for the first time.
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"The Packers, for instance, renegotiated Tramon Williams' contract late in the uncapped season to make his base salary more than $37 million. He got 1/17th of that each week for the last five weeks of the season, giving him a "cap" number of $15,043,000 that season. In 2011, when the cap returned, his cap number was $5.6 million -- barely more than one-third of the 2010 figure.

The Packers also gave Nick Collins a roster bonus of $8.3 million in the uncapped year to give him a "cap" number of $10.95 million. The next year, when the cap returned, his cap number was only $5.18 million -- less than half. The same with Ryan Picket, but with a smaller bonus ($6,437,500) and smaller cap numbers ($8.44 million in 2010, only $4.21 million in 2011). The same with BJ Raji -- $5,222,500 roster bonus, $7.89 million in 2010, only $3.06 million in 2011.

The Saints also gave J. Evans upfront and loaded guaranteed money around 12 to 15 million. But guess what his base salary was last year - 3 million. The same as this year, even though he has the highest contract in the league for an offensive guard."

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Well thats why the Saints didnt get it. And no wonder restructuring Evans was only 2 mil this year.
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I can't wait till the Skins sign Mike Wallace and the Cowboys sign Mario Williams.
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Good for them if they do. It's not like those power moves will put them over the top.
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Can the Redskins back out of their trade with the Rams? I doubt they would I'm just hopeful being a Browns fan.
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Can the Redskins back out of their trade with the Rams? I doubt they would I'm just hopeful being a Browns fan.
it will be interesting to find out if the Skins knew this was coming prior to the trade or if they just found out like all of us. I doubt it changes their plans to get Griffin either way.
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Can the Redskins back out of their trade with the Rams? I doubt they would I'm just hopeful being a Browns fan.
Don't understand why they would. He's cheaper financially at #2 then going after Flynn or Manning in FA.

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Also, the agreement between the union and the NFL occurred Saturday, which, of course, was after the #Redskins-Rams trade
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"The Packers, for instance, renegotiated Tramon Williams' contract late in the uncapped season to make his base salary more than $37 million. He got 1/17th of that each week for the last five weeks of the season, giving him a "cap" number of $15,043,000 that season. In 2011, when the cap returned, his cap number was $5.6 million -- barely more than one-third of the 2010 figure.

The Packers also gave Nick Collins a roster bonus of $8.3 million in the uncapped year to give him a "cap" number of $10.95 million. The next year, when the cap returned, his cap number was only $5.18 million -- less than half. The same with Ryan Picket, but with a smaller bonus ($6,437,500) and smaller cap numbers ($8.44 million in 2010, only $4.21 million in 2011). The same with BJ Raji -- $5,222,500 roster bonus, $7.89 million in 2010, only $3.06 million in 2011.

The Saints also gave J. Evans upfront and loaded guaranteed money around 12 to 15 million. But guess what his base salary was last year - 3 million. The same as this year, even though he has the highest contract in the league for an offensive guard."

not my info directly but interesting tidbits from Skins message board.
Exactly why this could be the most short-lived punishment if either team takes it to the arbitrator. The league decided the Packers MASSIVE cap move was okay even though it was more than the front-loaded Miles Austin contract.
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Don't understand why they would. He's cheaper financially at #2 then going after Flynn or Manning in FA.
But they might no be able to fill all their other whole via free agency. Which I assume they were going to do because of losing all those picks.
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