New and Improved Free Agency Discussion and News Mega-Thread - Page 327

Scotty D · 03-13-2012, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by hawkeye123

I find it puzzling why Alex Smith hasn't signed yet..

Cause they are going to come out of left field and sign Manning.

mightytitan9 · 03-13-2012, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthew Jones

I wouldn't say you can't rely on the draft. Name some top players on the Steelers that they didn't draft. Name some top guys the Packers didn't draft. The only key Patriots who weren't drafted by the team are Wes Welker, Brian Waters, Mark Anderson, Andre Carter, and Rob Ninkovich. These spending sprees almost never result in winning teams.

I understand your point, but you do both. The steelers signed James Harrison.

The Packers signed Ryan Grant and Charles Woodson, Ryan Pickett.

You build a team both ways, but it's usually not by signing big-time free agents, it's usually the underrated guys

Complex · 03-13-2012, 06:26 PM

Don't compare Aldon Smith to a passrushing God like The Freak. Jevon Kearse was actually pretty good against the run.

papageorgio · 03-13-2012, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Ness

Like last year?

LOL way to change the topic.

Il guarantee the Bills do better next year and are super bowl contenders unlike the 49ers.

Ness · 03-13-2012, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mightytitan9

I meant it as Smith isn't a pass rush threat that Mario is, and he wasn't, isn't and never will be.

The rest of your argument bores me

Cool story bro.

Taber21 · 03-13-2012, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by papageorgio

Il guarantee the Bills do better next year and are super bowl contenders unlike the 49ers.

You guarantee the Bills are super bowl contenders?

Hines · 03-13-2012, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mightytitan9

I understand your point, but you do both. The steelers signed James Harrison.

The Packers signed Ryan Grant and Charles Woodson, Ryan Pickett.

You build a team both ways, but it's usually not by signing big-time free agents, it's usually the underrated guys

James Harrison was an UDFA though he was cut numerous times before he found a place on the active roster.

OSUGiants17 · 03-13-2012, 06:28 PM

nevermind been said already

Matthew Jones · 03-13-2012, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Thirty

i didnt say you cant rely on the draft. i actually said the skins have 12 picks among last year and this year with a lot of last years guys contributing. i just said that it is rare to bat .1000. You've named 2-3 teams out of 32 which just further proves my point. And the Pack and Pats have definitely struck out on some draft picks as well.

You said you can't rebuild through the draft, I posted examples of the most well-run organizations in the league building their teams through the draft.

Ness · 03-13-2012, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Complex

Don't compare Aldon Smith to a passrushing God like The Freak. Jevon Kearse was actually pretty good against the run.

DiG · 03-13-2012, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthew Jones

You said you can't rebuild through the draft, I posted examples of the most well-run organizations in the league building their teams through the draft.

i said you can't build 100%. especially not in the course of only a couple seasons. we have to fix what vinny did and it can't be done overnight with 1-2 drafts...

papageorgio · 03-13-2012, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Taber21

You guarantee the Bills are super bowl contenders?

Yes with Williams and a good first round pick the Bills are super bowl contenders.

Fred Jackson and Spiller is the best running back duo in the NFL.

Stevie Johnson is one weapon and hopefully we can get Blackmon to fall to 10 or get Floyd.

Bills are gonna win the AFC east next year.

mightytitan9 · 03-13-2012, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Ness

I think I listed John Thornton in there too. Haynesworth started out average, but he was at least stout. He didn't start disrupting the line of scrimmage until years later though.

Kearse we'll just have to disagree with then. I just don't think he was very good against the run at all. Maybe average on a good day? I'll never forget the Bills deciding to just run Antwan Smith down the Titans throat on his side because Rob Johnson kept getting sacked in that wild card game by Kearse. He was quick I'll give him that, but he was light and when those big offensive linemen came his way there was little he could do about it. I'm worried about Aldon Smith for this reason.

As a rookie he was told to cause penetration and get after the QB, after that he really started playing the run and that's why his sack total decreased even though his play was drastically better.

Aside from Kearse, Carter and Haynesworth, the large part of the titans success was scheme and Washburn. I don't know if you can count on both hands how many D-Lineman that got made and overpaid by the Titans and washburn

Hines · 03-13-2012, 06:30 PM

Source tells me there's a growing sentiment amongst current #Bills players that the Mario Williams deal has a good chance of happening.

From Twitter.

mightytitan9 · 03-13-2012, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Ness

Cool story bro.

thanks "bro"

keylime_5 · 03-13-2012, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Thirty

i said you can't build 100%. especially not in the course of only a couple seasons. we have to fix what vinny did and it can't be done overnight with 1-2 drafts...

tell that to the colts and steelers. they pretty much were 100% drafted guys.

The Redskins actually have done pretty well building through the draft recently. It's not gonna be pretty trying to build by spending in free agency again, but they don't have a choice. They won't be a super bowl contender for at least 5 years, but that's probably how long it will take for Griffin to reach his prime anyhow.

Bills2083 · 03-13-2012, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by papageorgio

Yes with Williams and a good first round pick the Bills are super bowl contenders.

Fred Jackson and Spiller is the best running back duo in the NFL.

Stevie Johnson is one weapon and hopefully we can get Blackmon to fall to 10 or get Floyd.

Bills are gonna win the AFC east next year.

Please stop :( Lets get to .500 first

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Originally Posted by Hines

Source tells me there's a growing sentiment amongst current #Bills players that the Mario Williams deal has a good chance of happening.

From Twitter.

The Bills are prepared to make him the highest paid defensive player in the league.

Steady Lurkin · 03-13-2012, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Bills2083

Please stop :( Lets get to .500 first

The Bills are prepared to make him the highest paid defensive player in the league.

Wouldn't every team that brings him in?

Ness · 03-13-2012, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Hines

Source tells me there's a growing sentiment amongst current #Bills players that the Mario Williams deal has a good chance of happening.

From Twitter.

They got a candle vigil set up praying LOL.

Complex · 03-13-2012, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Ness

Taber21 · 03-13-2012, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by papageorgio

Yes with Williams and a good first round pick the Bills are super bowl contenders.

Fred Jackson and Spiller is the best running back duo in the NFL.

Stevie Johnson is one weapon and hopefully we can get Blackmon to fall to 10 or get Floyd.

Bills are gonna win the AFC east next year.

You say the 49ers can't win anything with a much better roster because of Alex Smith, but Ryan Fitzpatrick can lead the Bills to the Super Bowl one year after going 6-10?

papageorgio · 03-13-2012, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Bills2083

Please stop :( Lets get to .500 first

The Bills are prepared to make him the highest paid defensive player in the league.

we would've made the palyofs this year if it weren't for injuries. With no injuries the Bills beat the Pats in week 3 who made the super bowl

Losing Freddie,Kyle Williams and Wood really hurt our chances at the end of the year.

Now with Williams the Bills are easily super bowl contenders if Fitzpatrick can play well next season.

ATLDirtyBirds · 03-13-2012, 06:35 PM

I need to go back to the days where I thought Lawrence Sidbury was going to be a stud. It's the only hope we have next year.

Ness · 03-13-2012, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by mightytitan9

thanks "bro"

BeerBaron · 03-13-2012, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Bills2083

The Bills are prepared to make him the highest paid defensive player in the league.

Not a lot of teams could compete with that.

It was a long shot for the Bears to actually get Mario anyway, but even someone like Abraham, as long as we didn't overpay by that much, would be more than adequate opposite Peppers. Or we could still trade for Osi.