2004 QB Class or 2006 QB Class? - Page 5

Non_Sequitur · 04-09-2007, 02:27 AM

It's really too early to tell, but....

Young > Rivers
Leinart > Roethlisberger
Cutler >> E. Manning

And not to be a homer, but I'd take Clemens over Losman. I don't care if he improved to being mediocre over absolutely terrible. I like Clemens' potential.

Paranoidmoonduck · 04-09-2007, 02:46 AM

In regards to prospect status', I think 2004 pretty much blows 2006 out of the water.

niel89 · 04-09-2007, 02:46 AM

this thread fails bad, it is waaaay to early to pass any real judgment on the 2006 Class. they have had one year and not one of them have played a full season

eacantdraft · 04-09-2007, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by JK17

Eli is on tv almost every week...do you really think no one else has seen him play? Your stats argument is absurd, as even you have to know stats cannot tell the full story on a player.

I don't want to waste any more space on a thread arguing about Eli, unless you really want to. We've beaten this to death in countless other threads and posts so there is really no need to do it. Comparing Eli to Elway is something I have only seen you do. Find me other Giants fans who have the same agreement...or any other fan at all and I may give you some credibility on this. If you can't I would suggest you look at almost every other post in this thread that has ridiculed that comparison.

The Eli fangirls are an embarrassment to us real Giants fans. Eli has done nothing to justify trading all of those picks for him. If more than anything else, he has brought down the Giants by sapping the Giants ability to rebuild other parts of the team.

trademaster · 04-09-2007, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by GiantRutgersFan

Shockey steps up in big spots. The problem with Shockey is that he was severely underutilized last year. He was used entirely too much on blocking.

He averaged about 40 yards a game receiving. Thats not really great, especially considering the pass happy offense the Giants had going last year.

Toomer is a nice #2 option. But he was injured last year and like I said, Eli was playing on a pro bowl level before Toomers injury (although Pettigout was lost for the season the same game)

And there was NO 3rd reciever on the Giants. Sinorice Moss was injured all year and was a rookie. We were relying on Tim Carter, who shouldnt even make an NFL roster....

Tiki Barber is a nice player, and a compliment to the passing game. I give you that one. But Tiki didnt really make the big play off of a pass. he had only 2 receptions that gained 20 yards. And the long was 28 yards. Plus teams didnt put 8 in the box against us so Tiki didnt help in that regard.

1st off, Tiki is a great player, and the only reason why the Giants was able to manage to sneak in the playoffs, 2nd, he is one of the best pass catching RB in the game, so with Plax, Tiki and SHockey, you cant say he didnt have any weapons, in fact he had great weapons, he has the playaction working for him, and he has a decent OL, way better than Losman O-line, and JP didnt have any running game last year, because McGahee had an off-year, he had one great weapon and that's Lee Evans, but that's it.

ANd that game with Titans, was partly his fault, that INT to Pacman Jones?

BuffaloDraftGeek · 04-09-2007, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Non_Sequitur

It's really too early to tell, but....

Young > Rivers
Leinart > Roethlisberger
Cutler >> E. Manning

And not to be a homer, but I'd take Clemens over Losman. I don't care if he improved to being mediocre over absolutely terrible. I like Clemens' potential.

I don't get that arguement at all. Talking potential, Losman definetly has more than clemens. Losman has all the athletic attributes you look for in a QB. Strong arm, very mobile, etc. And Clemens has never even played, has he? You can't call him better than Losman, who had the 10th highest QB rating in the league last year.

Non_Sequitur · 04-09-2007, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BuffaloDraftGeek

I don't get that arguement at all. Talking potential, Losman definetly has more than clemens. Losman has all the athletic attributes you look for in a QB. Strong arm, very mobile, etc. And Clemens has never even played, has he? You can't call him better than Losman, who had the 10th highest QB rating in the league last year.

I didn't say he was better than Losman yet. That's exactly what I was saying, it's too early to tell, but I'll take the potential of Clemens over the mediocre performance of Losman. Clemens should have been the third QB off the board ahead of Cutler if he had not been injured. Strong arm, mobility, etc don't make a QB great, and besides that you say it like Clemens doesn't have those traits. He has a cannon for an arm, and great footwork. Some analysts (such as Hodge) had him as the best QB in the draft before his injury, and the 2nd best after his injury.

Maddenhero · 04-09-2007, 08:17 PM

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And what games did he lose for them? Seriously, I wanna know.

I'm not sure about this, but didn't he kinda lose the Titans game. The game where Kiwanuka missed that sack. He threw two costly interceptions.

bigbluedefense · 04-09-2007, 09:05 PM

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I'm not sure about this, but didn't he kinda lose the Titans game. The game where Kiwanuka missed that sack. He threw two costly interceptions.

The first one wouldn't be a pick if Burress didn't give up on the play. Most Giant fans (and teammates) blamed Plax for that one.

He just stopped running.

dhoe20 · 04-09-2007, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Ewing

He wasn't playing defense but he sure as **** gave up two lame ducks to Pacman Jones.

The first wasn't his fault for two reasons. Plax gave up on the play, and there's no reason to call a deep pass on 2nd and 4 with a 21 point lead. The game was already blown before the 2nd INT.

SuperMcGee · 04-10-2007, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Non_Sequitur

I didn't say he was better than Losman yet. That's exactly what I was saying, it's too early to tell, but I'll take the potential of Clemens over the mediocre performance of Losman. Clemens should have been the third QB off the board ahead of Cutler if he had not been injured. Strong arm, mobility, etc don't make a QB great, and besides that you say it like Clemens doesn't have those traits. He has a cannon for an arm, and great footwork. Some analysts (such as Hodge) had him as the best QB in the draft before his injury, and the 2nd best after his injury.

Losman performed well above expectations this year and put up some of the better numbers in the league. If he didn't have a moron for a head coach in his first year starting Losman could be in discussion as the top QB from this class. Hoge is not my favorite QB expert, either. Clemens was a solid prospect and I probably had him graded near the same spot where I graded Losman back in 04. Factoring in your Jets fandom, I'm not going to argue against your opinion here, because it might just be a fair one. But show some more respect to Losman than calling what was an expectation-exceeding year in which he led the team and only got better when McGahee was out. He excelled in the clutch and when he was the focal point of the offense, even carrying the team. It was a breakthrough year in many ways for him, and for a QB with such potential, a year like that should be seen as more than "mediocre". Of course he's been called much, much worse.