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Alex Smith implied to San Francisco reporters that he never seriously considered signing with the Dolphins. Asked what his emotions were in visiting Miami, Smith replied, "I'd never been to Miami Beach, and I thought it was a good way to go see it."
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They can go after him next year, when he's a UFA. Or so Dan will hope.
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They can go after him next year, when he's a UFA. Or so Dan will hope.
And you can already bet your ass thats exactly who im hoping for next off-season. Moss is a one year stopgap. Ginn couldnt catch a cold let alone a football which makes his speed useless as a WR. Manningham could also be a one year stopgap if he doesnt have a good season and disappoints so while im not happy in regards to Wallace this year, im hoping for him next year. :)
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I could see Manningham having a 2006 Antonio Bryant type of impact...hopefully being less of a headcase and more consistent though. That would be great.
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And the Steelers would have every option to put the Franchise Tag on Wallace just to screw Dan over.
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And the Steelers would have every option to put the Franchise Tag on Wallace just to screw Dan over.
They could but I hope not. LOL. :)
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Since Wallace wants more than Larry Fitzgerald, I don't think Baalke will ever seriously go after him. Especially can't see it if he has to give up a draft pick as well.
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Cool video. You can tell his teachings have really helped Alex.
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Yep I don't see us going after Wallace specially if he wants anything over 90 Mil because we couldn't sign Manning for that much .
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Yep I don't see us going after Wallace specially if he wants anything over 90 Mil because we couldn't sign Manning for that much .
Manning didn't want to come here. Money wasn't a problem.
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Yea, money would not have been an issue with Manning. He wants to run his offense and playing for a defensive HC like Fox will allow him to do just that. Jimbaugh wouldn't have any of that. Like I said from the beginning, didnt see the fit for him with this offense. And I dont see Harbaalke as the kind of guys who scrap their X's and O's and offensive philosphy for one player to be comfortable.
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Yep I don't see us going after Wallace specially if he wants anything over 90 Mil because we couldn't sign Manning for that much .
That was 5 years 90 million.... Has it clicked yet?
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Manning didnt come to SF because Baalke wasnt going to pay him what he wanted. Broncos made the most sense because Manning gets his money and gets to run the offense. 49ers wise, the money and then Harbaugh was second. Bottom line is that even if Harbaugh wasnt our HC, I still dont think that Manning would have come here because there's no way we would have paid him that.

As for Wallace, the report of him wanting Fitzgerald type money is either bullcrap or him saying it so he can be an UFA next off-season. PIT will have him as an UFA and Brown/Sanders as RFA's. No way they keep all three with their salary cap situation. One things is for sure, Wallace is worth more than what Garcon received from WSH and I would say also worth as much maybe more than what Vincent Jackson received. Dont know about anyone else here but I would easily pay Wallace $15m over $12m for Jackson but thats just me.
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Manning didnt come to SF because Baalke wasnt going to pay him what he wanted. Broncos made the most sense because Manning gets his money and gets to run the offense. 49ers wise, the money and then Harbaugh was second. Bottom line is that even if Harbaugh wasnt our HC, I still dont think that Manning would have come here because there's no way we would have paid him that.

As for Wallace, the report of him wanting Fitzgerald type money is either bullcrap or him saying it so he can be an UFA next off-season. PIT will have him as an UFA and Brown/Sanders as RFA's. No way they keep all three with their salary cap situation. One things is for sure, Wallace is worth more than what Garcon received from WSH and I would say also worth as much maybe more than what Vincent Jackson received. Dont know about anyone else here but I would easily pay Wallace $15m over $12m for Jackson but thats just me.
Do you have an inside source? Lol! 49ers would've paid him what he wanted is what all the NFL insiders reported so where did you get your info from?

Peyton can relate to Elway. Elway won Super Bowls in his final years and Peyton wants to do the same. Denver has an outstanding defense and the AFC is not as strong on the top end as the NFC is. Plus he's played in the AFC his entire career so he is somewhat familiar with the teams in the AFC West.

But he wants freedom in his offense and he can get that from a defensive minded head coach like Fox. No one knows how free he would've been under Harbaugh.
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Manning didnt come to SF because Baalke wasnt going to pay him what he wanted.
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Dont need a link. Its just common sense. Everyone here says that Baalke doesnt overspend yet thinks he would give Manning $60m guaranteed over two years? Yeah right. No ******* way. Cap room wise, the team only had alittle more than half of what the Broncos had. Are people really surprised that out of the three teams Manning could have picked, he went to the team with the most cap room? I'm not. Manning held the Colts hostage for as much money as he could get, not once but TWICE. Anyone who thinks that Manning was going to pick us over DEN is dazed and confused. Now, if we had the same amount of cap room or more than DEN, then Manning would be a 49er right now.

Yeah, Manning and Harbaugh are egomaniacs who want things run their way but thats not the number one reason why Manning didnt choose SF. Money first and foremost is the most important thing to Manning so while he may say that winning another SB is important, its a distant second at best.

Come on guys, you really believe that Manning not coming to SF was because of Harbaugh and only Harbaugh? No way. Even if they didnt get along, they would still co-exist because they would both know that together along with the rest of the team, the 49ers are easily Super Bowl favorites. Like everything in life, it all comes down to money and Manning picked the team with the most money to spend and more importantly, were willing to spend it on him.
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Dont need a link. Its just common sense. Everyone here says that Baalke doesnt overspend yet thinks he would give Manning $60m guaranteed over two years? Yeah right. No ******* way. Cap room wise, the team only had alittle more than half of what the Broncos had. Are people really surprised that out of the three teams Manning could have picked, he went to the team with the most cap room? I'm not. Manning held the Colts hostage for as much money as he could get, not once but TWICE. Anyone who thinks that Manning was going to pick us over DEN is dazed and confused. Now, if we had the same amount of cap room or more than DEN, then Manning would be a 49er right now.

Yeah, Manning and Harbaugh are egomaniacs who want things run their way but thats not the number one reason why Manning didnt choose SF. Money first and foremost is the most important thing to Manning so while he may say that winning another SB is important, its a distant second at best.

Come on guys, you really believe that Manning not coming to SF was because of Harbaugh and only Harbaugh? No way. Even if they didnt get along, they would still co-exist because they would both know that together along with the rest of the team, the 49ers are easily Super Bowl favorites. Like everything in life, it all comes down to money and Manning picked the team with the most money to spend and more importantly, were willing to spend it on him.
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Itís a surprisingly simple deal, based on a review of the information and communications with a source having direct knowledge of the negotiation process. Manning gets an $18 million fully guaranteed base salary for 2012. Though he doesnít get a signing bonus, heíll receive $6 million of the $18 million base salary as an advance.

Then, if Manning is on the Broncosí roster on the final day of the 2012 league year, his base salaries of $20 million in 2013 and $20 million in 2014 become fully guaranteed.

In other words, the Broncos can cut Manning at any point after Super Bowl XLVII and before the last day before the start of the 2013 league year and limit the contract to a one-year, $18 million investment. And so, just as the Colts faced a $28 million decision in March 2012, the Broncos will face a $40 million decision in March of 2013.
According to http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ning-contract/, Peyton's first two seasons will be $38 million instead of what you've said of $60 million. However if he is on their roster for the 2013 season (2nd season), the 3rd season (2014) $20 million will be guaranteed as well unless he injures his neck.
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lol, Alex is a cool dude.

I really hope the fans keep being ******** and keep pissing him off though, he plays so much better when his back is against the wall and he's ticked off. If the fans keep displaying stupidity, he might have a monstrous year and make them squirm even more.
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That was an awesome video physlac! I love Jim Harbaugh. "You must win!" And he breaks the projector
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So you have no facts or anything to back your claim up. Wow.
As per usual. But it's okay, his common sense gives him a free pass.
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So you have no facts or anything to back your claim up. Wow.

According to http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ning-contract/, Peyton's first two seasons will be $38 million instead of what you've said of $60 million. However if he is on their roster for the 2013 season (2nd season), the 3rd season (2014) $20 million will be guaranteed as well unless he injures his neck.
Facts??? What I said is a fact. You really think Manning picked the Broncos because it gives him the best chance to win a SB or because they offered him the most money? And oh no, I was off by $2m in his contract. He has to be released two days before the start of the 2013 league year which is less than a year from now. So, $58m guaranteed after ONE season no matter how he plays unless he re-injures his neck.

I said it before and I'll say it again, if anyone thinks that Manning picked the Broncos for ANY other reason other than money, you're not only wrong but you havent been paying attention to how Manning conducts business. He wants as much money as he can get and doesnt give a damn who gives it to him.

And no way in hell was Baalke going to give him that contract. And if he says otherwise, what else do you expect him to say? He has to save face somewhat. He's not going to admit that he didnt offer Manning anywhere near what DEN was offering him. Not even close but hey, believe what you want to believe.

And common sense is something that the majority here DONT have because if they did, they would realize the same thing that I realized a long time ago - Manning (like the majority of players) went for the money and thats it. Anyone who thinks otherwise are the ones who dont have common sense. It's about money, period. Always has been and after we're all long gone, it still will be.

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Facts??? What I said is a fact. You really think Manning picked the Broncos because it gives him the best chance to win a SB or because they offered him the most money? And oh no, I was off by $2m in his contract. He has to be released two days before the start of the 2013 league year which is less than a year from now. So, $58m guaranteed after ONE season no matter how he plays unless he re-injures his neck.

I said it before and I'll say it again, if anyone thinks that Manning picked the Broncos for ANY other reason other than money, you're not only wrong but you havent been paying attention to how Manning conducts business. He wants as much money as he can get and doesnt give a damn who gives it to him.

And no way in hell was Baalke going to give him that contract. And if he says otherwise, what else do you expect him to say? He has to save face somewhat. He's not going to admit that he didnt offer Manning anywhere near what DEN was offering him. Not even close but hey, believe what you want to believe.

And common sense is something that the majority here DONT have because if they did, they would realize the same thing that I realized a long time ago - Manning (like the majority of players) went for the money and thats it. Anyone who thinks otherwise are the ones who dont have common sense. It's about money, period. Always has been and after we're all long gone, it still will be.
$18 million after ONE season. $20 million more for 2013, and $20 million more for 2014 if he was on the roster the year before. You said $60 for his two first seasons, you were $22 million off.

The 49ers would've paid him what he wanted, because they want Lombardi trophies asap. They wouldn't have had to give up a high draft pick for him either.
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$18 million after ONE season. $20 million more for 2013, and $20 million more for 2014 if he was on the roster the year before. You said $60 for his two first seasons, you were $22 million off.

The 49ers would've paid him what he wanted, because they want Lombardi trophies asap. They wouldn't have had to give up a high draft pick for him either.
Instead, he'll earn $58m for ONE season once the next league year starts so instead of $60m over two years, he's technically getting $58m for ONE season worth of playing unless he re-injures his neck. Basically, he can suck up a storm but as long as he's healthy and on the roster in less than a year from now, he'll get paid $28m more than what I said. I said he's getting $60m for two years. Instead, he'll get $58m guaranteed for ONE year. He could get released next summer or get injured and go on IR in 2013 and if it has nothing to do with his neck, he'll still get $58m for ONE year.

And sorry but no way in hell was Baalke going to pay Manning. I dont believe that for a second and only a fool would believe that because quite honestly, if Baalke was going to match or surpass what DEN was offering, Manning would be our QB right now. Manning went where the money was and it wasnt in SF.

No draft pick but people overrate the Draft. Look at the percentages of it and look at the percentages for the 49ers since the 2004 NFL Draft. Out of 70 draft picks since the 2004 NFL Draft, as of right now, there's only 30 players that are still on the team. Thats less than 50% so just like FA, there's no guarantee or sure thing. Just people tell you there is doesnt mean there is. And quite honestly, if it wasnt for the last two drafts, we wouldnt even be having this conversation. 15/18 players from the last two drafts is what made the team good to great but it remains to be seen if that percentage stays that way in the next few years. Odds are that it wont. Even if you only start with 2008, 18/31 players are still on the team and while thats past 50%, the 2008 and 2009 drafts were beyond HORRIBLE with only 3/13 players still on the team.

I'm tired of hearing everyone say build through the draft because while thats good, its equally as bad and has percentages show, its 50/50 at best. Every year, people here say build through the draft and yay, it finally worked and only took 9 years and three different head coaches, four if you count Erickson from 2004.

To me, FA is good when you want that already established player who fills a need and is being paid for not only what he's done but what he will continue to do. There's a reason why I only wanted ONE major FA (RFA to be exact) compared to years past for the last 8 years when I wanted several top tier FA's. That reason is that after 9 years of "building" through the draft, we dont need several top tier FA's, just ONE awesome one that fills the biggest need on this team.

And quite honestly, I have no doubt in my mind that in a year from now, I'll still be hoping for Wallace if he's an UFA because he'll still most likely be the ONE element that we need but yet, dont have.
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Facts??? What I said is a fact. You really think Manning picked the Broncos because it gives him the best chance to win a SB or because they offered him the most money? And oh no, I was off by $2m in his contract. He has to be released two days before the start of the 2013 league year which is less than a year from now. So, $58m guaranteed after ONE season no matter how he plays unless he re-injures his neck.

I said it before and I'll say it again, if anyone thinks that Manning picked the Broncos for ANY other reason other than money, you're not only wrong but you havent been paying attention to how Manning conducts business. He wants as much money as he can get and doesnt give a damn who gives it to him.

And no way in hell was Baalke going to give him that contract. And if he says otherwise, what else do you expect him to say? He has to save face somewhat. He's not going to admit that he didnt offer Manning anywhere near what DEN was offering him. Not even close but hey, believe what you want to believe.

And common sense is something that the majority here DONT have because if they did, they would realize the same thing that I realized a long time ago - Manning (like the majority of players) went for the money and thats it. Anyone who thinks otherwise are the ones who dont have common sense. It's about money, period. Always has been and after we're all long gone, it still will be.
So much FAIL in your logic, I dont even know why I'm responding but here it goes...

You do know that PM and the Niners NEVER discussed a contract or numbers right? They hadn't even gotten that far into process yet. Harbaalke wanted to know a) was he healthy enough and b) did they both(PM and the Niner's staff) have a mutual intrest in one another. That's why the intial workout in Durham took place. Notice Manning never visited the Niner facilities. There was no formal courting like of that of Titans or the Broncos. They went to kick the tires, found it was still some tread left on Manning, then decided it couldnt hurt to enter the Manning sweepstakes and take their chances. Don't confuse Baalke's approach to free agent value with being cheap. Baalke wants to win and he has no problem spending money if he believes a player is worth it. Baalke would have gladly paid that 18 million....why do you think we threw our hat in the ring? You think Baalke didnt know how much it would cost for Manning? C'mon now, get real. He knew EXCATLY what it would cost, which is why we had excatly 19 million in cap space when were waiting for Peyton to make his decision. You dont fly all the way across country, Cloak and Dagger style for a guy like Manning without knowing what your getting yourself into. Condon already informed teams what kind of money PM was looking for. You dont persue him unless your willing to pay the piper. Baalke showed last year, by making a push for Nhamdi that he has no problem going after elite talent. He would have gladly paid a HOF QB his asking price if he thought that meant bringing Lombardi #6 to San Francisco. We're talking about the most important position on the field, and we would have had one of the elite ones. Again, money WAS NOT the issue. But you keep right ahead telling yourself it was.

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