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Old 03-29-2012, 04:38 PM    (permalink
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It shows how stupid fan voting is
I totally agree, fans give little credence to older teams and tend to vote for their favourites whether they deserve it or not.
This is just a gimmick to keep pro football in fans minds during the off season and really doesn't correspond to reality.
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the concept is interesting, but teams from several years ago wouldnt even compete with todays teams
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just wait after this season th 2012 cowboys will be the greatest team ever youll see
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Old 03-30-2012, 10:23 AM    (permalink
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the concept is interesting, but teams from several years ago wouldnt even compete with todays teams
Today's teams have to deal with FA and as teams aren't close to the finished products that teams of the past were. I'd say a team today riddled with cap limitations couldn't come close to a team from the past who didn't have to worry about FA.
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Old 03-30-2012, 12:17 PM    (permalink
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Today's teams have to deal with FA and as teams aren't close to the finished products that teams of the past were. I'd say a team today riddled with cap limitations couldn't come close to a team from the past who didn't have to worry about FA.
the game is different today. QBs back then didn't have the arm QBs today did, they didn't have to read the same type of defenses QBs do either. If you threw teams 20+ years old some of the defenses from today, they would make a lot of mistakes.

Let's not forget the most popular thing in the 70s and 80s (and even part of the 90s) were the big bruising backs chugging away on first and 2nd down and throwing when they had to on 3rd down.

Teams like the Raiders would get flagged and suspended by the NFL rules today, and the Steelers couldn't run the same defense. We saw a great decline in Mel Blounts production after the NFL changed the rules.

Take the 76 raiders for example, who are in the championship. Do you really think they could compete at all with the Ravens from 2000 if they really played a game? That's the Raiders who have a 265 Art Shell, 255 Gene Upshaw, 247 Dave Dalby, 260 George Beuhler, and 258 John Vella on the offensive line.

I don't care who you are, offensive and defensive lines from the past would get slaughtered by todays players, even average players today would likely have good games against them.

Then you factor in the speed of all the players in todays game, it's not even close
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the game is different today. QBs back then didn't have the arm QBs today did, they didn't have to read the same type of defenses QBs do either. If you threw teams 20+ years old some of the defenses from today, they would make a lot of mistakes.

Let's not forget the most popular thing in the 70s and 80s (and even part of the 90s) were the big bruising backs chugging away on first and 2nd down and throwing when they had to on 3rd down.

Teams like the Raiders would get flagged and suspended by the NFL rules today, and the Steelers couldn't run the same defense. We saw a great decline in Mel Blounts production after the NFL changed the rules.

Take the 76 raiders for example, who are in the championship. Do you really think they could compete at all with the Ravens from 2000 if they really played a game? That's the Raiders who have a 265 Art Shell, 255 Gene Upshaw, 247 Dave Dalby, 260 George Beuhler, and 258 John Vella on the offensive line.

I don't care who you are, offensive and defensive lines from the past would get slaughtered by todays players, even average players today would likely have good games against them.

Then you factor in the speed of all the players in todays game, it's not even close
Depends how you want to factor the comparisons. Depends on what rules you are playing by. If you were to take a team from the past, and have all of their players exist in their prime in this generation, having grown up with newer rules, modern technology, etc. they would still be good players. Unfortunately there are too many variables.
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Depends how you want to factor the comparisons. Depends on what rules you are playing by. If you were to take a team from the past, and have all of their players exist in their prime in this generation, having grown up with newer rules, modern technology, etc. they would still be good players. Unfortunately there are too many variables.
I agree with all of that. The rules for the first half could be the rules of one team and the second half the rules of the other.
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I've seen this type of internet debate dozens -- probably even hundreds of times. People (on both sides of the debate) usually overlook things. Strength and Conditioning programs improve. Nutrition Science improves. Steroids improve. Strategy improves. Schemes improve.

In 20 years, some punk kid is going to tell each and every one of us that Michael Jordan wasn't that great, because he *only* had a 42" vertical, and he *only* stood 6'6" (and at a time when many shooting guards were only 6'3" no less!).

And most of us will say: "Pfffft! I saw Jordan play, and he was the GOAT! Now get off my lawn!!!"

As Ness said: There are too many variables.

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Double post. :(

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The 1976 Raiders are crowned as the greatest team of all time on NFL.com. Very stunning. That being said, that was a great team. I wish I could have watched some of those players play.
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Love the '76 Raiders team, without a doubt one of the top teams in NFL history. I thought they'd get far, but I must say I'm surprised to see fans voted for the Raiders. 16-1 team that had multiple HoF's and John Madden at HC
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There is no way the 76 Raiders could have stopped the GSOT if the game was indeed on turf.
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I don't want to be a complete homer, but the 2007 (or 2004) Patriots need to be at least in the conversation. Also, unless I've been told wrong the '86 Bears were even better than the '85 Bears. They just didn't win the Super Bowl.
I think you mean the 86 Giants.
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No, he meant the 1998 Minnesota Vikings.
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i always thought the 1994 49ers were damn good.
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