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Old 01-11-2012, 09:10 AM    (permalink
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That's funny. I think he'll be lucky to get drafted in the third. The guy is a superior pass protector, and you're right in that I think he'd be a helluva LG (not you, previously stated). He's got a ton of experience and knows all the tricks...but the dude needs to bulk up (which he DOES have the frame for), if he wants to be any decent in run blocking at the pro level. Perfect left guard project in my mind. But he is still a project. Probably be drafted in the early 4th.
Yes bulking up would be an immediate need. I think that for his size he has been pretty good actually in run blocking but he won't continue to get away with it at the next level at 293 lbs.

I maintain he sneaks into the 2nd but may fall into the early 3rd. Someone who needs a center won't be willing to wait around and see if he is there in the third
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I like Brewster more at G than C. I think he's a little long and thin, I like my Cs to be more squat.
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Yes bulking up would be an immediate need. I think that for his size he has been pretty good actually in run blocking but he won't continue to get away with it at the next level at 293 lbs.
293 is really not that undersized for a center. In fact there are 9 starting centers who are 296 or less

Casey Wiegmann - 285
Chris Myers - 289
Jeff Faine - 291
Olin Kruetz - 292
Dominic Raiola - 295
Ryan Kalil - 295
Jeff Saturday - 295
Dan Koppen - 296
Todd McClure - 296
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293 is really not that undersized for a center. In fact there are 9 starting centers who are 296 or less

Casey Wiegmann - 285
Chris Myers - 289
Jeff Faine - 291
Olin Kruetz - 292
Dominic Raiola - 295
Ryan Kalil - 295
Jeff Saturday - 295
Dan Koppen - 296
Todd McClure - 296
Chris Myers is the only player from your listing that is taller than 6'2 and benefits from the zone blocking scheme that the Texans have implimented. Brewester is 6'5 and can definately stand to add 20 lbs to his frame to improve his thin base. I agree with BIGBLUE that his height may ultimately force him to slide over to guard.
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Oh wow, I didn't realize he was 6'5".
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I don't think there's any way he'll go in the top 15, especially to Dallas. Dallas has a ton of other issues.
There aren't many larger issues than Phil Costa, Center is a big time need.
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He is different than the Pouncey's who were elite athletes.

Konz is different because he is 6'5" 320lbs and is a mauler in the run game. He reminds me of Mangold or Logan Mankins guys with exceptional technique and rare strength.

I think the conversation for Konz start with the Bears at 19 and ends with the Ravens.

Mike Tice is the Bears new OC and he loves Wisconsin OLmen.
That was my thought a couple months ago, and I definitely targeted Konz for the Bears. But they did extend Garza for 2 more years, Chris Spencer can also play C, and Edwin Williams (who played well at LG) can also. If the thought is moving Garza back to RG, I don't think that happens either because the Bears have Spencer and Edwin, along with Louis and Chris Williams who started multiple games at Guard last year all with some semblance of success.

And if the Bears go for a C in the first round, that better mean they've signed a top WR and brought in a LT also in free agency, because those are much bigger needs at this point.
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I maintain he sneaks into the 2nd but may fall into the early 3rd. Someone who needs a center won't be willing to wait around and see if he is there in the third

And someone "sneaking into the 2nd" or more than likely going into the 3rd is clearly inferior to someone who is going top 20.
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So whats Konz stock at now? At one point Konz was a late 1st round prospect, but I've seen mocks have him in the 2nd.
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That's funny. I think he'll be lucky to get drafted in the third. The guy is a superior pass protector, and you're right in that I think he'd be a helluva LG (not you, previously stated). He's got a ton of experience and knows all the tricks...but the dude needs to bulk up (which he DOES have the frame for), if he wants to be any decent in run blocking at the pro level. Perfect left guard project in my mind. But he is still a project. Probably be drafted in the early 4th.
I agree, Brewster will be lucky to be drafted in the 4th rounds. He cannot handle a bull rush at all and would have to add 25lbs. to even play at the next level.
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So whats Konz stock at now? At one point Konz was a late 1st round prospect, but I've seen mocks have him in the 2nd.
I'm thinking 25-35.
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I'm thinking 25-35.
I think that is about right. He is a beautiful technician. His hand positioning and body positioning is suburb but he is not a power player who can move people with his strength and won't suit every team's needs at OC.
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I could see Konz at:

Titans (20), GB (28), or Ravens (29) at the earliest. I think he's more of an early 2nd rounder.
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most of the draft community is overrating Konz. He's injury prone, young, and by the way 18 reps of 225 is a pitiful number for an interior lineman. it shows a lack of weight room committment. I've heard that he was somewhat hollywood in interviews, talking about all his other interests besides football. teams don't want to hear about your band dude. They want a guy with no other options.

I'd grade him in the mid 2nd. he's not a Pouncey and he's certainly not a Mangold. i think there's a small chance Ben Jones goes before Konz.
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THIS. This is why I wouldn't draft Konz in the first round.

I believe I said it at the beginning of the season in this thread, Konz has yet to play an entire season without injury. If he couldn't stand up to the grind in college (12-13 games) what makes you think he can stand up to it in the NFL (16-20 games)?

Not to mention, his talent level isn't even close to that of some of the centers drafted in round one of recent drafts.

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What are you basing this off of?



Holds up pretty well against Worthy here and the rest of Michigan States DL in both the pass and the run, taking on linemen and LBs. I don't have time to break it all down now but I don't see anything which would sway me from taking this guy.

Brewster is probably one of the more under-rated players in this draft. He may not have the pure strength of Jones or Blake (although he did get more reps than Konz :P) but I think he can certainly hold his own.

Throw in experience and rather quick feet and I like this guy as my #2-#3 center in this draft. I like Blake's upside which might deter me from putting him as #2 but I think that (as opposed to Blake) Brewster could be an impact, day one starter.

Jones may be better suited as an OG at the next level and AGAIN I wouldn't touch Konz in round one unless I didn't really have a choice.
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He's most likely gonna be a 2nd rounder as I've said for a while. I'm really about 90% positive the Titans will not select him in the first, and it's possible he's there in the 2nd
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