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Old 03-31-2012, 02:51 PM    (permalink
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Also good to point out that those were NFL teams who made the 4th round comment. We dont need to imply that Casserly knows what he's talking about.
While I agree that Casserly has made mistakes numerous times about prospects, he did draft 10 HoFers as a GM over 16 years. That's not a bad average IMO. I feel that I know some of his weaknesses but I still look forward to his comments on prospects because I feel like he does work hard at his current job.
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A late first round is not that risky a pick. If a team misses on a late first round QB, they can move on rather quickly. See the Broncos as evidence of that. If they hit, well, obviously it's good for an organization when they hit on a talented QB prospect.
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I still only think Luck, RG3 and Tannehill will be the 1st round QB's. Either Cleveland or Miami will likely draft a QB in the 2/3 round, players like Brandon Weeden, Kirk Cousins, Brock Osweiler and Nick Foles will all be in play.
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Osweiler has Flacco type physical tools with better athleticism. The question marks with him are all mental. I think he goes in the 2nd.
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i'd rather have osweiler in the second round than tannehill with the 4th overall pick
Best post of this entire thread. I just don't see too much difference between Tannehill and Osweiler. Both tall, athletic guys, both are limited in their experience and both are project players. Neither of these guys warrant a first round pick in my opinion.
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In a related note.. Casserly is an idiot.
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A late first round is not that risky a pick. If a team misses on a late first round QB, they can move on rather quickly. See the Broncos as evidence of that. If they hit, well, obviously it's good for an organization when they hit on a talented QB prospect.
yeah but passing on someone else who can actually help as opposed to developmental quarterback just b/c its not a premium pick isn't necessarily a good idea, yeah its less risky, but is it the best decision? not really. unless its an aaron rogers situation where a guy just slides to you, reaching for a qb hasn't worked out for alot teams in the past i.e. jason campbell

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Osweiler reminds me of Big Ben. I think he has that type of potential as a projected starter. I do not think he can start right away though. Roethlisberger had alot more playing time in college than Osweiler but they both are physically similar guys. Ben had knocks on him coming out - level of competition/playing out of ths Big Ben has gained weight since he came into the league but has always been exceptional at extending plays by his feet or by his sheer size, I think Osweiler has those some traits, its just a matter if he is able to use those like Ben has.

I think Osweiler could develop into a quality starter down the road but do not think he could have the instant success of physically similar guys - Big Ben/Flacco. Drafting him in the first would be a stretch IMO, late 2nd/early 3rd round is where he probably belongs.
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Cousins > Osweiler
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If Mallett lasts til the third, Osweiler better not go in the first.
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If Mallett lasts til the third, Osweiler better not go in the first.
Mallett is a statue. Osweiler has the athletic ability to go along with the size. Not saying he should go in the 1st by any means, but I think early-mid 2nd would be fine for him.
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While I agree that Casserly has made mistakes numerous times about prospects, he did draft 10 HoFers as a GM over 16 years. That's not a bad average IMO. I feel that I know some of his weaknesses but I still look forward to his comments on prospects because I feel like he does work hard at his current job.
I know you like him and he has been around the game a long time. Having said that he really lost a lot of credibility with me by trashing Locker and Cam Newton last year and pretty much annointing Blaine Gabbert as the best QB in the draft. How do you recover from that.
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Mallett is a statue. Osweiler has the athletic ability to go along with the size. Not saying he should go in the 1st by any means, but I think early-mid 2nd would be fine for him.
And I'm not saying Mallett should've gone in the first. But his arm's better than Osweiler's, and Osweiler's athleticism isn't enough to separate the two when you look at college production, development and their respective levels of success against levels of competition. Mallett was a huge QB who sometimes dominated in the SEC, Osweiler is a huge QB who occasionally doesn't look terrible against PAC-12 teams.
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A late first round is not that risky a pick. If a team misses on a late first round QB, they can move on rather quickly. See the Broncos as evidence of that. If they hit, well, obviously it's good for an organization when they hit on a talented QB prospect.
If it is an organic 1st round pick, I agree. If they move up from the second round and give up next year's 1st rounder to do so, now it is quite a sacrifice.
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And I'm not saying Mallett should've gone in the first. But his arm's better than Osweiler's, and Osweiler's athleticism isn't enough to separate the two when you look at college production, development and their respective levels of success against levels of competition. Mallett was a huge QB who sometimes dominated in the SEC, Osweiler is a huge QB who occasionally doesn't look terrible against PAC-12 teams.
Yes Mallett's arm is better. He has one of the best arms in football. But you can't just compare stats and production as if all things were equal. Mallett was in a better offense, with better weapons. Not to mention all of the character concerns that there were about Mallett are what kept him out of the 2nd round IMO.

I think both guys are/were 2nd round prospects.
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Yes Mallett's arm is better. He has one of the best arms in football. But you can't just compare stats and production as if all things were equal. Mallett was in a better offense, with better weapons. Not to mention all of the character concerns that there were about Mallett are what kept him out of the 2nd round IMO.

I think both guys are/were 2nd round prospects.
Not to 'jack this thread, but the ONLY thing that kept Mallett out of the first round and probably the top 10 were the drug rumors.

There's really no comparison between Mallett and Osweiler other than height.
Mallett was a dominant college QB who may have the best arm in the NFL right now riding the bench for the Pats.

Osweiler was maybe the 4th best QB in the Pac 12 in 2011.
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Not to 'jack this thread, but the ONLY thing that kept Mallett out of the first round and probably the top 10 were the drug rumors.
This is false. I can name a handful of guys who went high despite drug rumors, and there are even guys who tested positive at the combine for pot, etc. and still went high. Guys with steroid rumors have gone high, too. If he'd had what GMs wanted, he'd have gone in round 1. While the rumors certainly didn't help him, there were still plenty of questions about his system, his composure against the rush (That was a big one) his attitude, etc. You can't just peg it on a cocaine rumor.


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How about relatively limited mobility, a strong arm, streaky accuracy, an underwhelming pocket presence and a bit of a reputation as a partier?

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I can name a handful of guys who went high despite drug rumors, and there are even guys who tested positive at the combine for pot, etc. and still went high.
No pun intended.
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Ricky Stanzi > Cousins... so no.
The two aren't mutually exclusive

Stanzi > Cousins > Osweiler > Gabbert
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This is false. I can name a handful of guys who went high despite drug rumors, and there are even guys who tested positive at the combine for pot, etc. and still went high. Guys with steroid rumors have gone high, too. If he'd had what GMs wanted, he'd have gone in round 1. While the rumors certainly didn't help him, there were still plenty of questions about his system, his composure against the rush (That was a big one) his attitude, etc. You can't just peg it on a cocaine rumor.




How about relatively limited mobility, a strong arm, streaky accuracy, an underwhelming pocket presence and a bit of a reputation as a partier?



I'll give you that.
Yeah, you can peg it on a cocaine rumor. Having pot issues isn't nearly the same thing as people whispering a prospect likes to crush 8-balls after home games.

Add to the fact that he and Matt Jones both went to Arkansas, and Matt Jones is already out of the league because of his cocaine issues, and Mallett's reputation IMO just scared teams off.

Listen and read Mallett's predraft reports. Most analysts gushed about his tools and almost universally called him the most pro ready QB in the 2011 draft.
So why did inferior prospects like Locker/Gabbert/Ponder/Dalton/Kaepernick all get drafted before him???

Being a mild alcoholic or a recreational weed head in college, most NFL coaches can give you a laundry list of players with a similar profile who went on to have long professional careers.

However very few guys with coke problems last in the league.
IMO I don't think Mallett is a snow fiend, but it's no money out of my pocket if his nose falls off either.

You don't drop to the 3rd round with the arm talent and production Mallett had in the SEC for two seasons because of minor pocket presence issues and a slow 40.

Osweiler has excellent mobility for a 6'7 QB, unlike Mallett. Osweiler just doesn't have Mallett's arm, which doesn't mean Osweiler can't spin it.

Bottom line, Osweiler just wasn't a good college QB and there's no way he grades as a first round prospect.
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Osweiler reminds me of Big Ben. I think he has that type of potential as a projected starter. I do not think he can start right away though. Roethlisberger had alot more playing time in college than Osweiler but they both are physically similar guys. Ben had knocks on him coming out - level of competition/playing out of ths Big Ben has gained weight since he came into the league but has always been exceptional at extending plays by his feet or by his sheer size, I think Osweiler has those some traits, its just a matter if he is able to use those like Ben has.

I think Osweiler could develop into a quality starter down the road but do not think he could have the instant success of physically similar guys - Big Ben/Flacco. Drafting him in the first would be a stretch IMO, late 2nd/early 3rd round is where he probably belongs.
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Osweiler is worse than Gabbert.

That is all you need to know....
How many Sun Devil games did you see last year?
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How many Sun Devil games did you see last year?
its not like gabbert doesn't have talent(even though he should have been a 2nd rd pick), most people have judged him on his rookie season which really wasn't his fault, the organization setup him up to fail. of what i've seen of osweiler, i saw one game live and some game clips online, i would have taken gabbert over him not b/c gabbert is a superior player, but osweiler is so inexperienced combined with played in an offense where he didnt have make any nfl throws or progressions
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