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Peyton! However, if Eli can win one more then sorry Peyton!
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Peyton! However, if Eli can win one more then sorry Peyton!
Eli already has double the Suber Bowl wins, in 6 fewer years.
Stats and regular season wins are one barometer, but as Patriot fans will tell you, not getting the title hurts most..... our 15-1 season this year feels like a total failure because of the playoff fumbling loss.

Eli is close already to Peyton IMO because of that.
He and Ben each with 2 rings from that class damn.
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Elway was a beast. The guy went to 5 super bowls. Won 2. Was the perfect qb from a physical standpoint. His resume speaks for itself.

I was watching some NFL network today, and I saw the special on the 87 Super Bowl. How the hell did that team give up 5 touchdowns in 1 quarter to the Skins?! Are you kidding me?
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Upon further review, Troy Aikman was #1 in 1989 meaning he woulda been drafted weeks before I was born, soooooooo Peyton Manning is the best.
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Vinatieri made one from about the same distance, IN SNOW, in the tuck-game to tie Oakland.

And I think all 3 of AV's game-winners were 40-something.

Norwood's wasn't easy, but Bruce Smith, Jim Kelly, Thurman Thomas, Andre Reed's legacies are much tainted because their kicker missed, whereas Brady's is the opposite because his made em.

Now, back to the topic at hand.

No votes for Jake Long?
All 3 of AVs game winning field goals were to win a game but none of them being missed would have lost the game. (they won by 3 in each game)
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mediocre defense, masked by a mediocre afc :/
The good ol 80s and 90s. When the real Super Bowl was known as the NFC Championship Game.

Thank God those days are over. I enjoy the parity of today's NFL.
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No votes for Jake Long?
He has only been playing for a few years. He'll have to continue at his level for many years to be compared to Pace.

It doesn't help that Long has only made the playoffs once and the team got smoked by the Ravens. Not his fault, just lack of team success hurts.
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I have to give Elway the nod over Peyton. Elway's overall body of work (specifically Super Bowl appearances) has got Manning beat and that would be the main issue seperating them at this point.
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Elway was a beast. The guy went to 5 super bowls. Won 2. Was the perfect qb from a physical standpoint. His resume speaks for itself.

I was watching some NFL network today, and I saw the special on the 87 Super Bowl. How the hell did that team give up 5 touchdowns in 1 quarter to the Skins?! Are you kidding me?
Doug F****** Williams how could you not give up 5 touchdowns in one quarter to him?
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The Broncos got destroyed in the '87 SB by the Skins for the same reason the Skins got knocked out by the Raiders in the '83 SB' the Skins were flat out better than the Broncos position per position. It wasn't a fluke.

My greatest #1 draft picks of alltime in my lifetime;
Bruce Smith
Drew Bledsoe
Orlando Pace
Peyton and Eli
Troy Aikman


It's ironic to me how highly Elway is regarded when for the early to mid part of his career, he was a streaky to highly erratic QB who dominated in the 4th quarter. Elway was more of a playmaker than a statistically dominant passing QB.

To be honest, his game had more in common with Mike Vick - streaky playmaker(although Elway had the ability to lock in at the end of games and win that Vick doesn't) with shades of Tebow(!) than Elway does with someone like Peyton.
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http://nfl.si.com/2012/04/05/best-of...sct=nfl_t12_a0

Great thread. Let's make it a CNN Sports Illustrated Feature.

More discussion.

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As part of our offseason coverage, we’re taking a look back at some of the best first-round draft picks since the AFL-NFL merger in 1970. We’ll work our way up the draft board, starting with the best selection made with the No. 32 pick and ending with the top No. 1 pick. Track all the choices here.

Honorable Mention: Mario Williams (2006, Texans); Eli Manning (2004, Chargers); Michael Vick (2001, Falcons); Orlando Pace (1997, Rams); Drew Bledsoe (1993, Patriots); Troy Aikman (1989, Cowboys); Earl Campbell (1978, Oilers); Lee Roy Selmon (1976, Buccaneers); Terry Bradshaw (1970, Steelers)



Just take a look at that list of players on the honorable mention list — as you might expect, the No. 1 slot in the NFL Draft has produced more than a few quality performers.

When it comes right down to it, though, we can narrow our list of candidates for “Best No. 1 pick” down to three: John Elway, Peyton Manning and Bruce Smith.

Let’s take a look at each player’s case:

• John Elway: The former Stanford star’s NFL career began with a bit of controversy, as Elway was selected in 1983 by the Baltimore Colts, then refused to play for that team. Eventually, the Colts honored Elway’s request for a new home and dealt him to Denver.

The rest is history.

Elway went on to have a Hall of Fame career in Denver, complete with nine Pro Bowls, a pair of championships and a Super Bowl XXXIII MVP award. He threw for 51,475 yards and 300 touchdowns over a career that spanned 1983-98, and he walked away after wining rings in both ’97 and ’98. Few players in NFL history are as synonymous with a franchise as Elway, who now holds the title of executive vice president in Denver and was instrumental in signing Manning this offseason.

• Peyton Manning: And speaking of Manning …

The 36-year-old quarterback, who sat out all of last season with a neck injury, passed Elway in 2010 for the No. 3 spot on the all-time passing yardage list. Manning currently sits on 54,828 yards, a little less than 7,000 behind Dan Marino — meaning that Manning has a shot to move up, should he stay healthy for two or three more seasons.

Manning could also leapfrog Marino in career touchdown passes. Manning will enter 2012 with 399 TD strikes, 21 back of Marino and 109 behind all-time leader Brett Favre.

Like Elway in Denver, Manning will always be remembered as an Indianapolis Colt, a fact that made his recent move to the Broncos such a headline-grabber. Manning already owns 11 Pro Bowl trips, eight All-Pro nominations, four NFL MVPs, as well as a Super Bowl trophy and MVP honor. Manning’s incredible ability to read defenses and make adjustments at the line led to the Colts giving him more control of the offense than just about any quarterback has ever had.

The big question now: Would a subpar showing in Denver tarnish his legacy?

• Bruce Smith: Like Elway, Smith is a current Hall of Famer (though Manning is a lock to make it on his first ballot). Smith never won a Super Bowl — his Bills fell one win short four consecutive times — but that’s about the only thing missing from his resume.

While playing an astonishing 19 seasons (1985-99 with Buffalo, 2000-03 with Washington), Smith chalked up an NFL-record 200 sacks. He reached double digits in that category during 13 different seasons, paced by a 19-sack showing in 1990.

Smith earned 11 Pro Bowl berths and was named to 11 different All-Pro teams, plus landed on the NFL’s All-Decade Team for both the 1980s and 1990s. He twice took home the league’s Defensive Player of the Year award, first in 1990, then again in 1996, when he had 13.5 sacks, 90 tackles and five forced fumbles.

Smith put up all of his incredible numbers despite drawing double teams (at the very least) on the majority of passing plays. Offenses had to account for Smith’s presence on the field, often to an extreme degree.

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So … who’s it going to be?

You can voice your opinion on the best No. 1 pick since the NFL-AFL merger on Twitter by tweeting at me using hashtag #bestnflnumber1. We’ll compile the most interesting answers for a post Friday.

The vote here is for Peyton Manning.
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Perusing the all time list, I really have to say Peyton is my number one of all time.

Rings help, but I think in this context, Peyton is held back a degree by having ran into the brickwall of the 2003/2004 Pats teams and Polian's successful but flawed team building approach.
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This isn't much of a debate. Elway made Denver a relevant NFL franchise for a long time and helped them reach numerous Super Bowls. His parting gift to his only team was 2 Super Bowls.
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He was, but he was never anything extraordinary that was able to carry a team when he needed to. For someone I consider to be in the same area as him in another sport, I'd compare him to Josh Beckett (except Josh is a tad bit better in the playoffs).
Huh? Aikman was always at his best in the playoffs. 11-4 Record as a starter while posting a QB rating greater than 100 in 9 of them(NFL Record). 3-0 in Supers Bowls with a 70% completion rating(NFL Record), 230YPG, with 5 TDs to 1 INT. He also holds the record for most consecutive passes thrown in the postseason without an INT with 89.

He was clutch when it mattered most. Peyton is/was the better regular season QB, but Aikman's the man in the playoffs and that shouldn't be downplayed.
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Since I wasnt born until 89, and I love OL, Im going Pace.
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I was born in 89 so:

Peyton
Aikman/Eli
Pace
Mario

Aikman gets a lot of **** for the same reasons Eli used to get a lot of ****, he plays for a team that is very balanced offensively so he's never been asked to carry his offense the way guys like Brees and Peyton do now-a-days. That's why I think this year creates some separation between the two, Eli was finally asked to be the offense without a running game, he responded not just with a career year but with a Superbowl. If Eli puts up one more great season where he's asked to throw a lot or wins one more Superbowl he'll move ahead of Aikman for me.
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I usually dismissed Elways and Aikman because of their career began prior to the salary cap era. However, Elways won 2 rings and Aikman one during the early stage of the salary cap. I go with either Manning.
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