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Old 04-11-2012, 12:39 PM    (permalink
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Maybe a few, but the Bengals are damn close to the bottom tier.

Back beyond two years, there's Andre Smith who might become an alright guard, but that isn't what you want out of a #6 pick. Maualuga is proving to be nothing special. Michael Johnson is keeping afloat at least. I'm pretty sure Chase Coffman is out of football. Keith Rivers is oft-injured and might be traded for peanuts soon. Jerome Simpson and Andre Caldwell are gone from the team. Pat Sims is an alright rotational piece and Anthony Collins is an alright spot starting RT. Jonathan Joseph is gone. So is Frostee Rucker. Kenny Irons? Go even further back to see the Pollack, Thurman, Henry year...Chris Perry? yeah...

So we have a few guys from the last two years who could be good, Leon Hall and Andrew Whitworth that are with the team and notably good.
I could do this with almost every team.
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Maybe a few, but the Bengals are damn close to the bottom tier.

Back beyond two years, there's Andre Smith who might become an alright guard, but that isn't what you want out of a #6 pick. Maualuga is proving to be nothing special. Michael Johnson is keeping afloat at least. I'm pretty sure Chase Coffman is out of football. Keith Rivers is oft-injured and might be traded for peanuts soon. Jerome Simpson and Andre Caldwell are gone from the team. Pat Sims is an alright rotational piece and Anthony Collins is an alright spot starting RT. Jonathan Joseph is gone. So is Frostee Rucker. Kenny Irons? Go even further back to see the Pollack, Thurman, Henry year...Chris Perry? yeah...

So we have a few guys from the last two years who could be good, Leon Hall and Andrew Whitworth that are with the team and notably good.
Andre Smith was a top 5 RT this year.
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Andre Smith was a top 5 RT this year.
I thought I read that they were considering moving him to guard. What I saw of him last year (pretty much all bad Bengals losses) didn't make me think he was doing well at RT. Missing so much time initially didn't help either.

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now.
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Looks like a 5th to the Bengals for Rivers. I think it's a very good deal for us.
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Reminds me of the Aaron Curry deal, the Giants will benefit from this move just like the Raiders have so far(we only gave up 7th). Curry was our best LB IMO last year.
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I still would love to get Kendricks, Spence or Bobby Wagner. Rivers is Tom big of an injury concern for him to negate our need for more talent and speed at LB. Now if the staff is really high on Rivers I'd be cool with waiting til the third, but if one of those three falls to our third rounder I'd be disappointed to see us pass.
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Last time I heard of Keith Rivers was when he got blasted by Hines Ward.
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I am not expecting much. If he can stay healthy then let's see how he does behind our DL. I guess speed is a big thing with guys like Williams, Boley and now Rivers. That's good speed at the LB position. I guess with all these TEs now coming into the league, that's a must in a passing league.
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I thought I read that they were considering moving him to guard. What I saw of him last year (pretty much all bad Bengals losses) didn't make me think he was doing well at RT. Missing so much time initially didn't help either.

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now.
Your analysis of the team is about 2 years behind, no offense as Scott's is as well. After the Andre Smith/Jerome Simpson draft year the team DID change it's approach. They have drafted better football players in the last two drafts, far more so than in prior years where they fell for the workout and/or bad character guy too often. Time will tell if they continue that but if they do you will see 2 solid picks in round 1. No team is perfect in the draft and the Bengals literally went through a decade of horrible drafting, but the last two years have been very solid.

But everyone all over the web still say they ignore character, etc. If they pick Jenkins in round 1 I shall scream and eat crow.

Compounding their old draft ways was the fact that they had a very weak locker room so the bad dudes would just stay as cancers. Now, they have a stronger team chemistry so players with possible red flags would at least be kept on the straight and narrow (or at more likely to be).
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You'll note that I intentionally left out the players from the last two years as I consider it too early to call on most of them.

This year will help us tell if those drafts are the start of a new trend or the eye of the shitstorm. The team actually hiring scouts points to it being the former, but we'll see.
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This year will help us tell if those drafts are the start of a new trend or the eye of the shitstorm. The team actually hiring scouts points to it being the former, but we'll see.

Very much in agreement. One thing Mike Brown has NEVER done - shown the ability to consistently make good decisions. Only time will tell if he can break his own curse..lol
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I am not expecting much. If he can stay healthy then let's see how he does behind our DL. I guess speed is a big thing with guys like Williams, Boley and now Rivers. That's good speed at the LB position. I guess with all these TEs now coming into the league, that's a must in a passing league.
That is a big IF! I would be surprised if he passes the physical.
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That is a big IF! I would be surprised if he passes the physical.

True, there was chatter about his wrist injury being degenerative.
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Eh, if the Giants really want him, he'll pass the physical. In the rare instances where a guy does fail a pre-trade physical, it's usually because the team acquiring him got cold feet. (I think it was Indy that did this with John McCargo once upon a time.)
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Not a big deal, we are a walking hospital anyways. Seems like everyone tore their ACL last season. At one point someone posted a hospital gown as our new uniform for this season, lol. So worse comes to worse he gets booted off the team or on IR with the other hurt people.
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huh?
Bringing in some Cornbread to the champs.
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Is keith rivers worth a poo anymore?
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