New York Giants Discussion

[BigBlueNorwegian]

Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

Well the only teams clearly weaker than us out of division this year are the Bucs, Browns, and Panthers. Choose one.

We should win against Bucs and Browns without even showing up 100%. I'm going to say Panthers. Thursday night game, like the one against the Broncos a couple of seasons back on thanksgiving, the one where Osi got benched for the first time. That was a horrible game.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Hmm.. Browns beat us before once on national tv.. Bucs, I think we can still beat. So Panthers.. I'd go Panthers if i were to pick 1 of the 3 to beat us.

[bigbluedefense]

The schedule itself is misleading in the sense that there's so much parity in the NFL, you don't really know who's going to suck and who's going to be good on any given year.

There's like 4 to 5 teams every year that's consistent. The rest of the league runs hot and cold, and who knows if these perceived hard teams are actually difficult teams come game time. You just don't know. There's too much parity to truly know right now.

If I told you this time last year that the Eagles would be 8-8 I bet nobody would believe me. You just don't know who's going to be good right now.

[BigBlueNorwegian]

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

The schedule itself is misleading in the sense that there's so much parity in the NFL, you don't really know who's going to suck and who's going to be good on any given year.

There's like 4 to 5 teams every year that's consistent. The rest of the league runs hot and cold, and who knows if these perceived hard teams are actually difficult teams come game time. You just don't know. There's too much parity to truly know right now.

If I told you this time last year that the Eagles would be 8-8 I bet nobody would believe me. You just don't know who's going to be good right now.

This is exactly how I feel, with one small exception. I tend to count how many games a season we have against QBs I would rank above, even with or slightly behind our own, and that's the number of losses I ultimately expect us to have, plus or minus one.

This is not an exact science at all, and I'm not saying that the games against the other QBs in Eli's class, are the ones we lose. But this method gives me a perception of the strength of the teams we're facing any given season. It's become such a QB driven league, that it's almost a "league within the league" at that position.

So if I look at this years schedule with my "method", We should go anywhere from 9-7 to 11-5. The QBs I rank above, even with or slightly behind Eli on this years schedule are Big Ben, Romo x2, Rodgers, Brees and Cam Newton(projected for 2012)

[scottyboy]

you know, I'm actually REALLY pumped to see what Da'Rel Scott can do. A year of coaching and learning, getting a full offseason. I think he can be a factor for us this year, I really do. The coaching staff seems high on him and MG tweeted he's bigger, stronger and confident this year. We do have some potentially exciting young guys

and we have Chase. I lovee Chase

[Bostonblows91]

Originally Posted by scottyboy

you know, I'm actually REALLY pumped to see what Da'Rel Scott can do. A year of coaching and learning, getting a full offseason. I think he can be a factor for us this year, I really do. The coaching staff seems high on him and MG tweeted he's bigger, stronger and confident this year. We do have some potentially exciting young guys

and we have Chase. I lovee Chase

This. you never know who will step up during the season, which is why i love JR's draft philosophy of taking the absolutely best player on his board when they pick.

[Giantsfan1080]

Garafolo just put up the article about Scott. It's sort of why I'm against drafting a RB early because I still think he, Bradshaw, and Ware will be fine.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

For a team that wants balance, I don't think we are fine. Scott is raw, and bradshaw and Ware are injury prone. At least Bradshaw has played with 2 messed up feet, while Ware is Mr. Concussion. So if he gets hit on the head he is sidelined. So I don't think we are fine at RB. Not if we want balance. If we do what Lions and Stafford, and NO and Brees do and throw 67% of the time, meaning Eli throwing 663 or 657 times this year, then we are fine. But that's not our system. So we need backs that can be productive.

[Giantsfan1080]

I only remember Ware having that 1 concussion but I could be wrong. Scott is unproven but the coaches will know if he's ready or not. Every player you have will not have experience.

[scottyboy]

We need a 4th back because of injuries, preferably a big power guy. That being said, I want one later and I want Scott to see some carries. If he's stronger and kept that speed...then watch out!

[Giantsfan1080]

I didn't say don't draft a RB at all. I said just don't take one that early. I think that would be one position I'd be mad at if we went that way in the 1st. It seems that we do like Martin out of Boise.

[bigbluedefense]

I'm fine with a 3rd round RB. I think the peak value for RBs will be in round 3.

[CDCB14]

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

I'm fine with a 3rd round RB. I think the peak value for RBs will be in round 3.

If you guys land Robert Turbin I will probably throw something at my TV. My sleeper in this draft is Lennon Creer out of Louisiana Tech. Gets north and south with power but has enough speed to get to the edge and break a long one from time to time. I find that those running backs always turn out to be the best in the NFL. These scat backs (Reggie Bush, Felix Jones, etc.) never end up working out. I don't care if the guy runs a 4.6, just give me a guy who can get 5 yards going north and can run a guy over if need be. If he has some wiggle thats nice, but it isn't a necessity. I never understood the point of having a "speed" back. You need to be able to get through the line of scrimmage to use that speed. Give me the all around, doug martin type any day over some guy who runs a 4.3.

[Giantsfan1080]

Sounds like Ryan Moats.

[bigbluedefense]

Originally Posted by CDCB14

If you guys land Robert Turbin I will probably throw something at my TV. My sleeper in this draft is Lennon Creer out of Louisiana Tech. Gets north and south with power but has enough speed to get to the edge and break a long one from time to time. I find that those running backs always turn out to be the best in the NFL. These scat backs (Reggie Bush, Felix Jones, etc.) never end up working out. I don't care if the guy runs a 4.6, just give me a guy who can get 5 yards going north and can run a guy over if need be. If he has some wiggle thats nice, but it isn't a necessity. I never understood the point of having a "speed" back. You need to be able to get through the line of scrimmage to use that speed. Give me the all around, doug martin type any day over some guy who runs a 4.3.

Turbin is the guy I'm eying. If we can grab him I'll be estatic. I think Turbin is starting to become a little overrated on this forum, but he's still the guy I want. But there will be other RBs with great value available in the 3rd as well. I prefer Turbin bc he can be Jacob's replacement, but I wouldn't mind some other guys as well.

[scottyboy]

Even though I hate temple, i like pierce if he's there in the 3rd

[Giantsfan1080]

Originally Posted by scottyboy

Even though I hate temple, i like pierce if he's there in the 3rd

No thanks. He's already been hurt way to much for a RB.

[CDCB14]

Here is a highlight tape of Creer, give it a look:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CaRJqAB9HQ

He's 5'11 3/8'' 220 pounds. Ran a 4.7 at the combine but I really don't care and he plays a lot faster. He's kind of the same as what the Giants already (bigger bradshaw, better Ware but similar style) have so it wouldn't be the greatest fit, but he's just a good running back. I'd love him on the Cowboys to back up Murray.

[scottyboy]

we signed DeOssie to a 3 year extension.

Power. *******. Moves

[OSUGiants17]

I just don't trust Ware and Scott to carry the team if Bradshaw goes down. That is why I want Turbin so bad, Turbin as our power back with Scott as our speed and Bradshaw as our do it all every down guy would be sex

[bigbluedefense]

I hate DeOssie. That douche.

Thanks for the long snapping.

[Giantsfan1080]

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

I hate DeOssie. That douche.

Thanks for the long snapping.

Deossie is a great special teams player. Not many long snappers consistenly get down the field to make tackles like he does.

Also, Trey Junkin.

[CDCB14]

I don't mean to troll, but I had no idea DeOssie was 6'4'' 250 and runs a sub 4.6. Those are pro-bowl type athlete numbers. Why doesn't he get snaps on defense?

[Giantsfan1080]

He just couldn't cut it as a LB. They moved him to LS pretty quick. I loved the pick at the time and thought it could have worked out real well but at least he still has great value.

[Rosebud]

Yeah, he's a pretty stiff athlete to play defense and his instincts just aren't great without all of the space of special teams to build momentum. ****** Jay Alford ******* over his knee, how sweet would it be to have a LS who was also a good rotational player?