Denver Broncos Discussion

[Jimmy]

Originally Posted by njx9

i really don't like worthy. i don't know how he went from a 3rd round guy during the season, to a first round guy in the post season. i really want nothing to do with him or still based on what i saw on the field all year.

the only reason i'm neutral on him and brockers is because they fill needs. i don't think they're remotely the BPA in any part of round 1. Especially Brockers and Poe, who are entirely developmental to me. We need a guy who is fundamentally solid from day 1.

[Cunningham]

Originally Posted by Jimmy

the only reason i'm neutral on him and brockers is because they fill needs. i don't think they're remotely the BPA in any part of round 1. Especially Brockers and Poe, who are entirely developmental to me. We need a guy who is fundamentally solid from day 1.

disagree with brockers being considered a developmental pick. he's a guy who should be able to play right away and be an asset against the run while doing so, something that you can't really say about any of the other top defensive tackles. his pass rush, on the other hand, is the part of his game that has yet to be developed.

[Jimmy]

Originally Posted by Cunningham

disagree with brockers being considered a developmental pick. he's a guy who should be able to play right away and be an asset against the run while doing so, something that you can't really say about any of the other top defensive tackles. his pass rush, on the other hand, is the part of his game that has yet to be developed.

From what I've read, he'll supposedly be a beast once he gets some coaching. But to me, he doesn't seem like a guy that's ready to come in and make an immediate impact. I also don't think Brockers makes for a very good 3 technique DT in a 4-3 compared to a 5 technique DE in a 3-4. Although, you will have people who say the opposite.

"His technique still needs some work; he still plays a little high at times. He also doesn't change direction that well, which is a concern moving forward. When Brockers gets coached up, however, look out. With his talent and skill set, he'll probably go higher in the draft than his production warrants, but that's because someone will roll the dice and that it'll all come together for him and he'll reach that Pro Bowl potential that his talent indicates is possible."

This is just once source, but I think everyone is saying the same thing. Needs coaching... but what prospect doesn't? The difference is, Brockers sounds like he needs more that most. To me that's developmental. I do agree that Brockers is a potential run stuffer, but I think everyone has discounted Devon Still, who I think has less technical concerns and more production, despite being a relative one year wonder.

Either way, I'd rather go MIKE or WILL round 1. I'd like to see us nab a linebacker who can make a play behind the line of scrimmage for once (aside from Von). I have confidence that Warren and Vickerson can hold their own and free up our guys.

[njx9]

i think devon still is an utter bust in the first round. but i *hate* one year defensive linemen, almost as a rule.

barring no weird, unexpected drops, i really have no idea who i'd take at our pick right now. i just don't like anything that will likely be available.

[Diehard]

Elway:

“We’re talking about now,” Elway said Monday. “Impact doesn’t necessarily mean a starter, but one that can come in and help us win. I think that’s kind of where we are right now.

“As I said last year, you have a lot more misses in my mind when you draft to need,” Elway said. “We’re going to try to find the best players in positions of need, but also find the best players to come in and help us right away.”

That seems like a reasonably sensible set of criteria for making a decision. When it's time to pick, take the top graded prospects, drop the ones who don't fit need and then figure out which of the remaining guys will be able to make significant contributions right off the bat.

[Diehard]

Originally Posted by njx9

i think devon still is an utter bust in the first round. but i *hate* one year defensive linemen, almost as a rule.

I've found the 1-year-wonder rule to be very useful for screening out DL. Still has other question marks - I think he'll get pounded in the NFL unless he learns to keep his pads low and play consistently.

barring no weird, unexpected drops, i really have no idea who i'd take at our pick right now. i just don't like anything that will likely be available.

There might be decent OL options there, especially if there turns out to be a run on pass rushers in the 10-20 range.

If we are willing to roll with the punches, I think we'll get someone good with our first pick. Otherwise, trade down to the mid-thirties and go more for need.

[njx9]

i like konz at our pick, but i'm not sold on anyone else. unless the coaches are sure franklin can shift competently to guard, i really dislike the idea of taking a tackle, and i don't like the guards after decastro's inevitably gone. i'm holding out hope that kirkpatrick or gilmore somehow fall, but i think they're both gone in the top twenty. i don't like the idea of drafting barron, but at least he'd have value at our pick. i'm not sure how to feel about a guy like hightower, but i'd literally vomit if we took someone like zach brown. bleh.

i feel really down on this draft in general, though.

[Jimmy]

im hoping we can turn our first this year into a first next year... more than anything... at least, after my top 15 players.

[jCut]

Originally Posted by njx9

i really don't like worthy. i don't know how he went from a 3rd round guy during the season, to a first round guy in the post season. i really want nothing to do with him or still based on what i saw on the field all year.

I was hearing he would be a top-15 pick all year, and it seems like he fell considerably due to work-ethic issues. I think Worthy is the best interior pass-rusher (besides Cox) in the draft, IF he plays up to his abilities. And that is a big if.

[njx9]

he was a top pick until the season started and he free-fell.

blech, i have so little interest in guys who won't work hard on every single play. and i have serious concerns about a guy who won't even do it when a paycheck is on the line.

[jCut]

I am so utterly clueless as to what I think we are going to do in the draft. Every time I come up with a scenario I think of 3 more that are equally plausible. I am going to have an open mind this year. BPA All The Way.

[Diehard]

Originally Posted by jCut

I am so utterly clueless as to what I think we are going to do in the draft. Every time I come up with a scenario I think of 3 more that are equally plausible. I am going to have an open mind this year. BPA All The Way.

It seems the team has been a lot more secretive this time around. We barely heard squat about team visits. My inner paranoid thinks this indicates some sort of big move in the draft, but I'm not buying the rumor about us moving up to grab Gilmore.

It will probably end up being a trade down then we'll have to wait until Friday to finally see a pick...

[jCut]

Originally Posted by Diehard

It will probably end up being a trade down then we'll have to wait until Friday to finally see a pick...

Totally agree.

[Jimmy]

I was in line from about 5 PM, planning on waiting till midnight for my wristband.

When some lady came around and told me that I could get my wristband NOW if I spent $35 at the NFL pop up store a few blocks away, I hesitated but eventually jumped at the chance.

I buy a draft cap every year anyway.

TL;DR - I spent an extra $6 to avoid sitting in line with a bunch of drunk, cheap-skate new york sleazeballs for 5 hours.

[Diehard]

Originally Posted by Jimmy

TL;DR - I spent an extra $6 to avoid sitting in line with a bunch of drunk, cheap-skate new york sleazeballs for 5 hours.

Money well spent.

[Diehard]

All-too-vague thoughts:

1. We will not be picking at 25
2. Our first selection will be a CB if there is a legit prospect available
3. We will take a RB before we take a DT
4. We will draft a QB in round 4
5. One or more of our new additions will be from Boise State

[njx9]

i can buy most of that. i hate mayock for putting out a mock that had poe falling to us. now i'm all hopeful.

[Cunningham]

Originally Posted by Diehard

All-too-vague thoughts:

1. We will not be picking at 25
2. Our first selection will be a CB if there is a legit prospect available
3. We will take a RB before we take a DT
4. We will draft a QB in round 4
5. One or more of our new additions will be from Boise State

i could see each one of those playing out.

from everything that i've gathered, i'd be surprised if we don't trade out of the 25th spot, unless kirkpatrick falls to us.

[Diehard]

Originally Posted by njx9

i can buy most of that. i hate mayock for putting out a mock that had poe falling to us. now i'm all hopeful.

The Eagles really like him and need the help on the inside. I'm sure there are others as well (e.g. KC). He's gone by the mid-first.

[Diehard]

Prediction #1 is looking pretty good:

http://twitter.com/#!/1023ESPN/statu...27518991147008

Our @1023ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter says the #Broncos have received multiple calls and will look to trade down out of #25

Someone looking for get ahead of Houston to take Fleener or a WR? Or maybe wanting to grab an OLB pass rusher before the 26-31 run wipes out that pool of prospects?

[njx9]

just give us a first next year. that's all i want for christmas.

[elway=goat]

Typically I don't like trading down. But in this case, the Broncos best bet is to do so. I really don't like any of the players that are available at 25.

[Diehard]

Originally Posted by elway=goat

Typically I don't like trading down. But in this case, the Broncos best bet is to do so. I really don't like any of the players that are available at 25.

Pretty much. At the positions we have needs, 25 isn't much better than 35.

I really hope it's the Rams wanting to come back in to grab a receiver.

[Jimmy]

we need to sit and see if we can grab decastro, upshaw, Hightower or cordy.

sent live from radio city

[Jimmy]

this is panning out brilliantly.