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Old 04-03-2012, 03:46 PM    (permalink
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Wouldn't mind at all. It might be higher than people expect him to go, but we're talking about a guy that could be an impact player immediately at a position of need. I'd be excited to see how Pete Carroll works him into blitz packages. If we could trade down and grab him int he early twenties or something, that'd be a great start to our draft. Did you hear that somewhere?
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Hey sup guys I'm going to be drafting for the Seahawks in the 2nd Annual 5 Rounds in 5 Days Mock Draft and I thought of seeking the advice of the guys that know this team best. I have been thinking of a couple different directions for the first two rounds I just wanted to get everyones opinion.

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Hey sup guys I'm going to be drafting for the Seahawks in the 2nd Annual 5 Rounds in 5 Days Mock Draft and I thought of seeking the advice of the guys that know this team best. I have been thinking of a couple different directions for the first two rounds I just wanted to get everyones opinion.
I came back to the team thread with a related topic, so I'll piggy back onto this. Obviously, my Seahawk's fantasy mock is my sig, and I'm curious as to other Seahawkers' thoughts on it at this point in the process.

Regarding your question specifically, Smash&Dash:

It's a pretty solid team without glaring weaknesses, so I'm inclined towards the BPA approach even more than usual. That said, (and as my sig indicates) some guys I'd really like to bring into camp are a legit backup for Marshawn (I looooove Doug Martin, but a guy like Turbin or Polk in the middle rounds wouldn't be bad, either, although I don't like either of them nearly as much as Martin; Martin, to me, is a guy who could switch roles or replace Marshawn in a couple years, while those guys would be drafted just thinking "backups." Another guy, although he doesn't really profile as the kind of running back we need - I think I like Edwin Baker more than most people.) We could use a pass rusher, but this isn't a great draft for that and if we pick one early we'll probably be reaching. If Malcolm Floyd is there at 12 and some of the other guys we'd like, like DeCastro or Melvin Ingram are gone, (or even if they're not, really), a no. 1 wideout is something that would benefit this team. Yes, we have Sidney Rice, but he's injury prone and made his reputation on one season. He's got to do that a few more times before I stop thinking we need a number one. And hell, Atlanta just traded their draft for Julio Jones when they already had Roddy White, so it's not unprecedented even if you've got an established corps. Malcolm Floyd could do a lot, I think. We're weak at linebacker, so Kuechly is a realistic option, although I've become more of a Kendricks guy.

So aside from those specific names, here's our current depth chart, basically, on a talent level:

QB: 1. (relatively unknown, perceived upside) 2. (low-level starter) 3. (young project)
RB: 1. (Pro Bowler, power runner, decent hands) 2. (change of pace/3rd down back) 3. (change of pace/3rd down back, returner)
FB: 1. (Pro Bowler, decent player)
WR: 1. (Athletic, skinny, medium-speed, injury-prone, great hands) 2. (Big-body, slow, strong, inconsistent hands) 3. (slot-type, very quick, good speed, good hands, small) 4. (average, average, average) 5. (developing player, can make spectacular catches, inconsistent, good run after the catch, some return ability) 6. (tall, fast project)
TE: 1. (Former Pro Bowler, good blocker, good receiver, not very fast) 2. (Mediocre player, can catch a bit, little production thus far)

LT: (Young player, talented, injury-prone, Pro Bowl potential)
LG: (open, for all intents and purposes)
C: (decent player, a little underpowered, injuries)
RG: (Underwhelming rookie last year who suffered an ACL tear midway through the season)
RT: (average)

DEFENSE:

RE: (team's best pure pass-rusher. Has been effective at getting to the QB the last two years, but isn't terribly distinguished in run support. Not that he's terrible)
DT: (Big body, average production. Nose-type.) DT/DE 2: (Swing player, can defend the run or pass but is more DT than DE.)
DT: (smaller body, disruptive player. nose-type.)
LE: (Huge, big-bodied player who looks like a DT, but sets the edge against the run and is great against it. Not a pass rusher.)

OLB: (open)
MLB: (open)
OLB: (Good player)

CB: 1. (rookie last year, tall, surprisingly good, gets hands on a lot of balls, occasionally gives up big plays.) 2. (athletic, developmental player)
CB: (Canadian import, starting for the first time last year, huge for a cornerback, big hitter, good in coverage, breaks up a lot of passes, 2 defensive TDs last year)
FS: (Pro Bowler, on the small side, good in coverage, good enough in run support)
SS: (Pro Bowler, enormous, plays like a linebacker but is fluid enough to be an effective strong safety, makes big plays)

Return: (not much)
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Was thinking about our linebackers again; We might not need a starter this year. K.J. Wright can play in the middle, Hill is a pretty good OLB, and Malcolm Smith is an undersized athletic freak at WLB - I was just watching some college highlights of him, and he really gets around. 6'0" 225, but really strong and fast, and comes from a program that's produced several starting linebackers in the last couple of years. And Pete Carroll obviously coached all those guys, so if he thinks Smith could start, he'd be the one to know.
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The real x-factor is Smith. If Carroll thinks that he can step in and start this year, we may be looking at BPA picks for both 1st & 2nd round. I still like Kendricks in the 2nd and would love to see us take him there, but now if Doug Martin is still there (seems unlikely) be hard to pass him.
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Anyone else preparing for the fallout from the pick? I was realizing these past couple of days that while we may know what the Seahawks want, we don't know in what form they are going to go out and get it. 2 years ago they wanted Eric Berry & Trent Williams and instead got Okung & Thomas (not complaining). Last year they wanted to trade down and instead grabbed Carpenter.

I'm just starting to mentally prepare myself that whoever the Seahawks pick is probably not going to be who everyone is expecting/wants them to pick.
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Well...in the interest of trying to avoid people from jumping off of bridges...some lovely quotes that make me slightly more excited about taking Irvin.

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2012/...w-to-pass-rush
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Bruce Irvin: "It doesn't matter to me. I feel like, to be honest with you, I've never been taught how to pass rush. The last two years, the 23 sacks that I got, it was all natural ability. Not to knock my coaches, but they emphasized stopping the run, and that's what we did. We never did any pass rushing drills. I feel like, with the proper coaching and the right people around me I feel like I can be a very productive player in this league."
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This one was predraft and speculation is that the 9ers were targeting him.
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He's a pass rusher. He's probably the best pure pass rusher in this draft...but that's all he does
Bruce Irvin on KJR
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And of course the ultimate way to get excited about a player. Listening to Carroll gush about him.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/seahawksblog/2018081264_videogmschneidercoachpetecarrolltalkabo utbruceirvin.html

Only took me an hour and a half to start getting excited about this guy. He's going to be used exclusively as a LEO (I mean he's even listed as LEO on seahawks.com) where all he has to do is pin his ears back and get to the QB. I'm not going to say he has 10+ sacks this year, but I would not be surprised if he had 5-8.
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You guys got a great player. Character concerns are hyped. Natural pass rusher who just gets after the quarterback relentlessly due to his great leverage. Better against the run than people give him credit for.
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I am just going to say that the Seahawks are going to get killed for taking Irvin in the draft grades. That said they were killed last year as well (D+ from Kiper. He changed it to a B+ after 1 season) and ended up with Carpenter, Moffitt, Wright, Sherman, and Baldwin all starting.

At the end of the day we need to have faith in Pete Carroll & John Schneider. I mean they've only gone 3 for 3 on 1st round picks starting. They know what they want and they stuck to it. We got a 3rd down pass rush specialist (this year), but so was Aldon Smith a year ago at 7. Bruce Irvin is our eventual successor to Clemons but for now, he just gets to do what he does best, get to the QB.

And honestly the more I think about taking Irvin over Ingram, Coples, Jones, etc. the more I love the thinking behind it. Every single one of the other pass rushers had questions regarding their ability to get to the QB in the NFL. Irvin was always going to be a pass rusher regardless of the team that took him. He may be a boom-or-bust prospect, but speed rushers with high motors tend to do well in the NFL.

And again sticking with my "make everyone feel better" theme
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...vin-in-top-15/
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...Aldon Smith?

EDIT: Just realized you mentioned Aldon Smith in the above post, too. The stylistic similarities between are actually pretty striking. To be perfectly honest, I don't know if I watched any of Bruce Irvin's tape leading up to the draft. But I saw some things today that made me give a "not bad" face. Little Von Miller-ish, too. I just hope he keeps his head on his shoulders.

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Second year in a row the Cal player I really wanted went the pick before us. Bobby Wagner looks a lot like Aaron Curry to me on tape. In the second round, maybe that's not such a terrible thing. Russell Wilson was my 4th-rated QB, so I'm alright with the pick. I wouldn't have expected it with the Flynn signing, but he's got a good arm, great accuracy, especially on the run, and might be the most elusive pocket passer we've seen in years - he can buy a loooooot of time, and it's exactly what he needs to be able to do to compensate for his height. So we'll see. It's an intriguing pick to me.
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I really want to know if they would have taken Kendricks over Wagner had he not gone the pick before...
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Yeah. I figure Bobby Wagner will at least compete for a starting spot and provide depth, but I feel like Kendricks would have had a much bigger impact. But that's the draft for ya! But it occurred to me - I think I even had Russell Wilson going to us in the 4th in my sig-mock at one point, so I actually feel pretty good about our QBs right now. This is the scenario where I'm glad to have Tarvaris Jackson on the roster. There are two other QBs to compete with who all have a legitimate claim to starting ability, yet are unproven. They're all pretty mobile guys. If Flynn can't beat out Tarvaris, it means we at least have a mediocre QB. We're not in dire straits - we still just will want to upgrade. With Russell Wilson, I feel like we'll know right away whether he can play. I'm going to call it right now - I think he'll be a preseason superstar. But whether or not that translates into being a starting-caliber QB will just be a matter of waiting for him to get his opportunity to see.
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What would you guys think of trading up for the local guy Ta'Amu at this point?

Clemons, Jones, Ta'Amu, Mebane, Irvin? Run a little 5-2 ?
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Really like picking up Turbin and Howard.
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I like this draft so far.
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Another terrific athlete in Toomer. Are we the new Raiders...?

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I love their philosophy on late round picks. They go out and get guys who are phenomenal athletes who are being dropped for some reason (too big for a CB/S, hasn't played much, etc.). More likely than not these guys are just going to be special teams players, but if they can become more than that, you have so much value.

If they bust, oh well they didn't have a good chance of working out. But if they do work out...

I am surprised we haven't taken any WR's yet though.
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I think with the WRs it's a matter of getting a "no. 1" - we're already pretty deep. Especially if Sidney Rice comes back healthy next year.

But I think we might now be really seeing what Pete Carroll plans to do with this team - it's sort of all coming together for me on this draft. It's all about hybrid players and formations that can bring pressure or support from different angles. We can now play varieties of 3-4 defense, 4-3 defense and 5-2 defense. It's just going to be a matter of the situation and how we want to defend it; we've got big bodies, we've got fast players, and I love the Jaye Howard pick, because he could be the wildcard D-lineman that means it doesn't matter if having Clemons, Jones, Mebane, Howard and Irvin on the field all at once means we're playing "3-4" or "5-2;" it's about what a player can do, and our line suddenly is made up of players who are extremely scheme-diverse. Then you start talking about our linebackers, and you have Smith, who's a 4.4 guy, Bobby Wagner, who's a 4.4 guy, and while KJ Wright and Hill are already proven starters, you're adding yet another extremely gifted athlete into the mix with Korey Toomer - if he'd gone to the combine, he'd have blown it up. I'm sure people have looked it up, but for anyone who hasn't, here are his Pro Day numbers:

6'2" 235 (a little light, but the height is perfect and he might have room to grow a little.)

4.53 40, which I won't compare to the combine times because the discrepancies are always biggest with 40 times. But things that don't change as much...

10'10" broad jump would've been best among linebackers and 5th overall

4.00 short shuttle would've been best among linebackers by nearly a tenth of a second and 10th out of all prospects, all positions

42" vert would've been best among linebackers and 2nd out of everyone.

That kind of athleticism for a 5th round pick? OK!

Oh, and last year he played inside and outside linebacker, defensive end, nickel DB and a little fullback. All-WAC with almost 70 tackles, double-digit TFL and 4 sacks. I'm liking the way the Seahawks drafted this year.

Also, I've watched some Winston Guy footage after seeing they picked him, and he's a perfect developmental understudy for Kam Chancellor. Same questions coming out about whether he can be an NFL DB, but our scheme protects him and allows him to play like a deep rover. Like Kam, Guy's a big-bodied safety who can play up at the line and move all around the field. Kam's surprisingly good in coverage and faster than Guy - Guy doesn't have the speed to play with his back to the ball - But he does enough things that I think the Seahawks will be able to rotate him in for a few plays at a time if Kam needs a breather. And I mean, that's just as important to consider at the later stages of the draft; it's not about getting superstars, but players who are going to make your superstars better. This is another pick that I might not like for most teams, but with the way Pete Carroll is designing our defense I think it makes a lot of sense. Irvin's not really a "Defensive End;" they're going to line him up everywhere, standing up or with his hand down. He has a job. Guy's not going to just be a "safety," but he'll rove around the field alternating between run blitzing and hanging in a deep zone. He'll never be on the field on obvious passing downs, but he's an aggressive tackler who'll have some value as depth. Really stoked about his draft. Got three guys I'd fantasy mocked to us, and more or less in the rounds I wanted them: I'd had Russell Wilson, Turbin and Jaye Howard all going to us in the 4th at one point or another. Losing out on Kendrick's explosiveness is disappointing, but he doesn't have much, if anything, on Bobby Wagner from an athleticism standpoint. I'd still rather have Kendricks, but Wagner isn't terrible compensation. Called Turbin a poor-man's Marshawn in the comparison thread, so I'm just fine with that. But I think a more precise comparison is LaMont Jordan, and having him and Marshawn Lynch together is a backfield I'm pretty excited about. They both run hard and can catch the ball. Wasn't thrilled about last year's draft, but that's not the case this time around. I'd say my confidence in Pete Carroll is growing a bit.

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Don't need receivers because Kris Durham.

As for Toomer's workout #s... are those inflated or something?
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Don't need receivers because Kris Durham.

As for Toomer's workout #s... are those inflated or something?
Who knows? It's what's reported as his pro day #s on nfldraftscout. Regardless, we got a loooooot faster and more athletic on our defense, which was already pretty good.
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I'm watching some video of Lavasier Tuinei again since we brought him in as a UDFA, and here's what I'm seeing:

Really tall, really long, rangy player with huge hands and a very wide catching radius. But he's not simply long - he knows how to use that length to reach for and snag balls that are out of his reach. He's a hands catcher, and he's got great coordination and body control, and you see him tapping both feet in the end zone, even in college. What you don't see is any kind of route running at all. Not even a little bit. He's not sudden at all running down the field, either running deep routes or meandering through wide-open spaces in the middle of the field. He does seem to have the requisite timed speed, especially for his size, but he's not a speed receiver, and he shows no route running ability. But his catching range and hands are really intriguing, I think. Makes me wonder if there could even be a use for him immediately in goal line situations and all-go type plays where everyone already knows the ball's just going to get thrown up in the air for someone to come down with.

He's a UDFA, so I'll preface this with "a very poor man's," but watching him I thought "Plaxico Burress."

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Obviously it's a highlight video so you're not seeing negative plays, but some of those catches he makes are basically un-denfendable.
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2:35.

And besides the fact that he looks like he's on an entirely different level than his competition... these are his freshman and sophomore highlights. Really liking what I see in this video. He's a really violent hitter, especially for a cornerback. But he's yet another guy this year who's got incredible athleticism; he's been playing CB in college at 6'1" 220, and also SS, FS and some linebacker. Ran a 4.53 and had a 6.76 3-cone drill - when you watch him in the video, he's got the hips Mayock is always raving about. It's always just a question of ability to transition with the small-school guys, but I see a really smooth, sudden athlete who really likes to pop offensive players. You see him straight-arming wideouts to the ground when a running play goes to the other side of the field and they're giving a half-assed blocking attempt. I like that.

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but yeah... I haven't been able to sleep to...day? tonight? last night? I don't know. But I did some homework on the UDFA's and Tuinei and Shead are the two that look the most roster-worthy to me. We are pretty deep at wideout though, so someone would have to go. Might depend on how Tuinei compares to Durham in training camp.
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