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Old 04-11-2007, 09:49 PM    (permalink
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Speed isn't useless, whoever said that is a moron, but speed by itself is worthless.
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Old 04-11-2007, 10:30 PM    (permalink
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Speed isn't useless, whoever said that is a moron, but speed by itself is worthless.
I agree, and I'll add one more thing..

you can't teach speed..
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Good, because Ginn has more than speed. He has elusiveness, agility, vision, quickness in small areas, and he is a multidimensional threat.
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...And speed by itself isn't worthless. Once you got that everything else can come after. Ginn's only been a WR for 3 years. His WRs coach Darrell Hazell said his routes were terrific for a guy of his experience
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This thread is funny. Every Ginn apologist/defender doesn't mention his hands, route running or an ability to create space against a defender. All the praise is about his speed and supposed "agility" that went from juking his opposition out of their shoes to "instride cutting" (lol).

So let me get this straight, Ginn's only true strength is his speed and that deserves being drafted at #9?
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This thread is funny. Every Ginn apologist/defender doesn't mention his hands, route running or an ability to create space against a defender. All the praise is about his speed and supposed "agility" that went from juking his opposition out of their shoes to "instride cutting" (lol).

So let me get this straight, Ginn's only true strength is his speed and that deserves being drafted at #9?
pretty much according to them. Oh and they love him for a kick returner.

Ignore the fact that miami has 4 solid potential WRs on the roster (chambers, booker, hakeem, hagan).

Ignore the fact he is a slot WR, the same spot best for chambers.

Ignore the fact of his own hands and drops problems.

Ignore the fact of his route running.

After all he must be the second coming of Steve Smith and Devin Hester combined.


Heck we can ignore we dont have someone to throw him the ball. We can ignore we dont really have a left side of the offensive line right now that has seen an NFL snap. We can ignore the problems on the defensive sideof the ball in the secondary. Of the fact that Zach is playing past the age many players are already going into the HoF. Ignore the fact JT has maybe 2-3 years left himself. Ignore the fact that we need depth on the defensive line. Ignore the fact that our secondary is scary in many respects.

Hey we can get a 5th WR, to play the slot with lingering injury concerns and might end up a good slot WR with a top 10 pick.
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Ginn's hands aren't bad. He is not Dennis Northcutt or Troy Williamson or Quincy Morgan by any stretch. Nothing wrong with his hands, he just doesn't have 'great hands' and he's not gonna catch everything thrown at him like Marvin Harrison or Jerry Rice. His routes aren't great, but Tressel really only had Ginn run about 4 or 5 different kinds of routes, and it's not like if you don't run good routes in college you'll never run good routes in the pros.

Every knock on Ginn is a correctable or coachable thing. It all falls under the category 'he is a raw player.' You guys act like a guy who's been a WR for a grand total of 3 years in his life is supposed to run crisp routes and catch the ball like Jerry Rice, gimme a break.
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Ginn's hands aren't bad. He is not Dennis Northcutt or Troy Williamson or Quincy Morgan by any stretch. Nothing wrong with his hands, he just doesn't have 'great hands' and he's not gonna catch everything thrown at him like Marvin Harrison or Jerry Rice. His routes aren't great, but Tressel really only had Ginn run about 4 or 5 different kinds of routes, and it's not like if you don't run good routes in college you'll never run good routes in the pros.

Every knock on Ginn is a correctable or coachable thing. It all falls under the category 'he is a raw player.' You guys act like a guy who's been a WR for a grand total of 3 years in his life is supposed to run crisp routes and catch the ball like Jerry Rice, gimme a break.

When drafting a WR in the top ten, you don't want to gamble on a guy that just about everyone agrees doesn't have the best of hands. Thats a mistake waiting to happen. You take those gambles later in the draft.
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to each his own, but if I was a Miami fan I'd love Ginn to be the pick, especially considering the alternatives being Alan "jimmy kennedy" Branch, Anderson, Hall, Levi Brown, and Joe Staley
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to each his own, but if I was a Miami fan I'd love Ginn to be the pick, especially considering the alternatives being Alan "jimmy kennedy" Branch, Anderson, Hall, Levi Brown, and Joe Staley
I'd take Branch, Hall, Staley and Anderson for Ginn in a heartbeat.
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to each his own, but if I was a Miami fan I'd love Ginn to be the pick, especially considering the alternatives being Alan "jimmy kennedy" Branch, Anderson, Hall, Levi Brown, and Joe Staley
Also known as Alan "John Henderson" Branch. Like joey said, I'd take all of those guys over Ginn, and I don't want anything to do with Levi Brown or Anderson.
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