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Old 05-02-2012, 10:13 PM    (permalink
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I agree with you, was just thinking for a possible reason. Good hierarchy also. I wonder what movement we see now that they are getting rid of the AQ. I'm still praying someone rescues us somewhat soon.
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Sun Belt seems rather content being those, for lack of a better term, "entry-level" FBS schools. That said, I noticed that Mountain West/CUSA is trying to get their hands on UNT and UT-SA.
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Big 12 would provide more TV money than the ACC if the ACC's TV cash cow left, plus FSU could then negotiate their own local contracts to add money. Not to mention the political BS in the ACC.
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The new Big12 Commish will be the current Stanford AD Bob Bowlsby.
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Big 12 would provide more TV money than the ACC if the ACC's TV cash cow left, plus FSU could then negotiate their own local contracts to add money. Not to mention the political BS in the ACC.
You think there isn't political BS in the Big 12? 33% of their league left in the last two years.
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You think there isn't political BS in the Big 12? 33% of their league left in the last two years.
In the ACC Duke and UNC basically call the shots, in basketball the bias towards them night in and night out is deplorable. If not for FSU, the ACC would never have even been considered as a BCS conference, in thanks for that we get some of the worst officiating known to man and awful scheduling. The Big 12 would provide more money and more freedom for FSU to bring in it's own revenue, something the ACC cannot provide.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/08/sp...r=3&ref=sports

Article about the Big East implosion, fueling the flames Notre Dame may go to the ACC. Even if ND went to the ACC, FSU would be better off going to the Big 12. With Texas, OU, FSU, Clemson, WV, KSU, and an emerging OSU, that Big 12 would be as strong if not stronger than any other conference in football.
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Article about the Big East implosion, fueling the flames Notre Dame may go to the ACC. Even if ND went to the ACC, FSU would be better off going to the Big 12. With Texas, OU, FSU, Clemson, WV, KSU, and an emerging OSU, that Big 12 would be as strong if not stronger than any other conference in football.
The rumor is ND going to the Big12 with non-football and playing 4 games annually in the big12 of which one every year against texas
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Gotta love th Big 12s willingness to bend over for Notre Dame.
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ACC media deal doesn't match what the Big 12 got. Maybe there are more legs to the FSU + Clemson move than I thought.

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I believe FSU is pissed about the ACC not retaining the Tier 3 rights.
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It goes much deeper than that.
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The rumor is ND going to the Big12 with non-football and playing 4 games annually in the big12 of which one every year against texas
I am surprised OU even tolerates all of Texas' bull****.
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What I find funny is that FSU wants to leave a conference they feel favors the North Carolina schools to one that is ran by Texas.
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That should pretty much kill the Big 12 talk.
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http://www.tallahassee.com/article/20120514/NEWS/120514016/Barron-weighs-FSU-Big-12-rumors?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|frontpage&gcheck=1 &nclick_check=1



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As Florida State’s future in the Atlantic Coast Conference continued to fuel plenty of rumors and speculation Monday, FSU President Eric Barron spent at least part of his day trying to deliver a message to the university’s alumni, fans and other stakeholders.
“I tried to let them know that this is a complicated issue,” Barron said.
That’s why Barron crafted a bullet-point response to answer the dozens of emails he received this weekend lobbying him to lead FSU’s move from the ACC to the Big 12 Conference. He said he began responding to the emails Monday morning “and after I sent the fourth one it had already been posted on the Internet somewhere.”
“There are definitely some people who said, ‘Don’t comment. Just ignore it all,’” Barron said. “But I made a habit of whenever alumni write to me, to write right back. Of course, I think a lot of people in the university are frustrated this gets so much attention and all the terrible things that have happened to our academics on campus get so little attention.”
The Big 12 speculation jumped into the national news on Saturday when Andy Haggard, the chair of FSU’s Board of Trustees, expressed his displeasure in the new television-rights contract the ACC signed with ESPN. That deal is expected to pay FSU at least $17.1 million per year, but it will not jump to that total payout in the first year of the contract and will instead escalate annually beginning with a $1.2 million increase this year.
Even when the ACC deal reaches the $17.1 million payout, the Big 12 contract is believed to be worth as much as $2.9 million more annually for its schools. According to various media reports, the conference is expected to sign a renegotiated contract in the near future.
“At least half of the emails I’m getting are saying that this $2.9 million is too much to give up,” Barron said. “This was my attempt to explain that there are a lot of factors to consider. You have to realize all the travel costs that would come in the Big 12. We don’t have to fly to every game now in the ACC. We would have to in the Big 12. With the costs there, it may not be as big an advantage as others might think.”


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In his emails, Barron also listed other factors he wanted stakeholders to consider, including an exit fee from the ACC that he said would be “between $20M and $25M.”
“We have no idea where that money would come from,” Barron wrote. “It would have to come from the Boosters which currently are unable to support our current University athletic budget, hence the 2% cut in that budget.”
Barron said he was forced to amend his original email response, which he said he cut-and-pasted to various recipients and tried to add personalized messages at the bottom. His early versions contained fact errors about the Big 12’s payoff structure and the methods of travel for various FSU teams to ACC games.
“After about the 10th email, I corrected that,” Barron said.
But Barron also said he was surprised to hear that people think he has now made up his mind on FSU’s conference affiliation.
“I have no idea what the next few weeks or even days will bring,” Barron said. “I know I have alumni irritated because they think I made up my mind. What I am trying to say is this is not some simple thing.
“It’s amazing how many people will say to me, ‘You don’t understand. If you go to the Big 12, Clemson will go with you and so will Miami and you can play them.’
“How do you know that? How can you say that? This is quite complicated. I have no idea how people will react to what I said, but I’m just trying to get the facts out there.”
Barron also said that he believes FSU has done the proper due diligence should any major conference be willing to discuss a possible move.
Though he wouldn’t pinpoint an exact time when the research was done, he said he felt comfortable last summer when rumors circulated about FSU possibly joining the SEC that his staff was prepped in case the league contacted him.
“There is no way that the university wouldn’t at least do its homework,” Barron said. “That wouldn’t make sense otherwise. But that happened last year and I didn’t believe there was any truth to the rumors then. And I don’t believe there is any truth to these rumors now.


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“It would have been strange for us not to think about it. To do a study and issue a report? No. But of course you think about it.”
FIRST REPORT


Florida State University President Eric Barron sent an email reply earlier today to the many emails and calls he has received regarding the possibility of FSU leaving the ACC for the Big 12 Conference.
Here is what Barron had to say:


I want to assure you that any decision made about FSU athletics will
be reasoned and thoughtful and based on athletics, finances and academics. Allow me to provide you with some of the issues we are facing:


In support of a move are four basic factors argued by many alumni:


1. The ACC is more basketball than it is football, and many of our alumni view us as more football oriented than the ACC 2. The ACC is too North Carolina centric and the contract advantages basketball and hence advantages the North Carolina schools 3. The Big 12 has some big football schools that match up with FSU 4. The Big 12 contract (which actually isn't signed yet) is rumored to be $2.9M more per year than the ACC contract. We need this money to be competitive.


But, in contrast:
1. The information presented about the ACC contract that initiated the blogosphere discussion was not correct. The ACC is an equal share conference and this applies to football and to basketball --there is no preferential treatment of any university with the exception of 3rd tier rights for women's basketball and Olympic sports. FSU is advantaged by that aspect of the contract over the majority of other ACC schools.


2. Colorado, Missouri, Nebraska and Texas A&M left the Big 12, at least in part because the Big 12 is not an equal share conference.
Texas has considerably more resource avenues and gains a larger share (and I say this as a former dean of the University of Texas at Austin - I watched the Big 12 disintegration with interest).
So, when fans realize that Texas would get more dollars than FSU, always having a competitive advantage, it would be interesting to see the fan reaction.


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3. Much is being made of the extra $2.9M that the Big 12 contract (which hasn't been inked yet) gets over the ACC contract.
Given that the Texas schools are expected to play each other (the Big 12 is at least as Texas centered than the ACC is North Carolina centered), the most likely scenario has FSU playing Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, and West Virginia on a recurring basis and the other teams sporadically (and one more unnamed team has to join to allow the Big 12 to regain a championship game), we realize that our sports teams can no longer travel by bus to most games -- the estimate is that the travel by plane required by FSU to be in the Big 12 appears to exceed the $2.9M difference in the contract-- actually giving us fewer dollars than we have now to be competitive with the Big 12 teams, who obviously do not have to travel as far.
Any renegotiated amount depends not just on FSU but the caliber of any other new team to the Big 12.
4. Few believe that the above teams will fill our stadium with fans
of these teams and so our lack of sales and ticket revenue would continue.
5. We would lose the rivalry with University of Miami that does fill our stadium.
6. It will cost between $20M and $25M to leave the ACC -- we have no idea where that money would come from. It would have to come from the Boosters which currently are unable to support our current University athletic budget, hence the 2 percent cut in that budget.
7. The faculty are adamantly opposed to joining a league that is academically weaker -- and in fact, many of them resent the fact that a 2 percent ($2.4M) deficit in the athletics budget receives so much attention from concerned Seminoles, but the loss of 25 percent of the academic budget (105M) gets none when it is the most critical concern of this University in terms of its successful future.




I present these issues to you so that you realize that this is not so simple (not to mention that negotiations aren't even taking place). One of the few wise comments made in the blogosphere is that no one negotiates their future in the media. We can't afford to have conference affiliation be governed by emotion -- it has to be based on a careful assessment of athletics, finances and academics. I assure you that every aspect of conference affiliation will be looked at by this institution, but it must be a reasoned decision.


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Are you implying that I somehow read the statement wrong? Seems like a pretty strong declaration to me.
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Are you implying that I somehow read the statement wrong? Seems like a pretty strong declaration to me.
He didn't close the door in any way on moving, just mentioned the factors involved. From what has always been legit inside information on another board, he had 3 scheduled meetings yesterday to discuss moving to the Big 12. It should shock no one FSU despises the rest of the ACC for a myriad of reasons, namely FSU brings in most of the money for the conference yet has to share it equally with teams that don't come close to pulling their own weight. Then there is the issue of the horrible officiating that the ACC never does anything about (Navy used to use ACC officials for games, but have since stopped because of the extremely low quality) in multiple sports.

Whereas Fisher and Haggard can speak freely, Barron cannot without opening up possible litigation against FSU and the Big 12 if they leave.
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Oh ok, you're delusional, then. I figured as much given your previous comments, but I wanted to make sure.

I'm sure the FSU fan board is more aware of what's going on than the president.
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Oh ok, you're delusional, then. I figured as much given your previous comments, but I wanted to make sure.

I'm sure the FSU fan board is more aware of what's going on than the president.
As he said, these deals aren't negotiated openly in the media. But I guess I fail to grasp what part of this statement closes the door on FSU to the Big 12...

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Article about the Big East implosion, fueling the flames Notre Dame may go to the ACC. Even if ND went to the ACC, FSU would be better off going to the Big 12. With Texas, OU, FSU, Clemson, WV, KSU, and an emerging OSU, that Big 12 would be as strong if not stronger than any other conference in football.

umm 1/3 of the SEC would go undefeated in that conference
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As he said, these deals aren't negotiated openly in the media. But I guess I fail to grasp what part of this statement closes the door on FSU to the Big 12...
Yeah, except the rest of the statement went on to explain why the Big 12 is an illogical and unfeasible move. You're hearing what you want to hear, when the words are pretty clearly spelled out.

The entire purpose of the memo was to put out the Big 12 fire and explain to people why it makes no sense. He's pretty clear in stating that, if they can't pay their bills now, they have no way of paying a 20 mil dollar exit fee.
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Yeah, except the rest of the statement went on to explain why the Big 12 is an illogical and unfeasible move. You're hearing what you want to hear, when the words are pretty clearly spelled out.

The entire purpose of the memo was to put out the Big 12 fire and explain to people why it makes no sense. He's pretty clear in stating that, if they can't pay their bills now, they have no way of paying a 20 mil dollar exit fee.
Big 12 help out like they did with WVU. Boosters would too.
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