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Old 12-22-2011, 04:59 PM    (permalink
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Some thoughts on Barkley's decision:

* From a draft position and financial perspective it was a mistake. It will be very difficult for Barkley to have a better season than he just had. Just look at his stats and the way USC closed out their season. The fact that some were even debating whether Barkley was a better prospect than Andrew Luck, which is ludicrous, speaks volumes about how his stock plateaued.

* Let's say for arguments sake that Barkley would have been the #5 overall pick in the 2012 NFL Draft. If he goes #1 overall in the 2013 NFL Draft it will net him an extra $2.5 million. However, if he slips to #10 overall it will cost him $7.5 million. Also, Barkley is wasting a year of earning potential and it's not like football players get to play for decades (unless you are Brett Favre).

* Barkley's game is ripe to be picked apart and overanalyzed. People are going to point out his lack of top physical tools and say he is a product of all the talent around him (best set of wideouts in the country, etc). Could be a Matt Leinart situation.

* Barkley isn't going to have the buzz a year from now. A was a big reason why Mark Sanchez was selected as early as he was. Sanchez struck while the iron was hot, Barkley did not.

* I know Robert Griffin III wants to return to school, but this is going to be too good of an opportunity to pass up in my opinion. Landry Jones may have to re-think his decision as well. This could also be huge for Ryan Tannehill.

* Fans of the Redskins, Dolphins, Browns and Seahawks should be very concerned.
All I have to say is Barkley better not slip in performance, because this will only help Murray's case especially with both being measured around 6'1"-6'2"ish
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What a wimp that Barkley kid is! ;)
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If RGIII, Jones, and Barkley return... that's insane.

RGIIIs stock will not go higher and his team is average at best, no matter how good he is.

Landry Jones will lose snaps to Blake Bell and could ultimately end up being Tebow'd (Florida style). Plus there are tons of dirty rumors around OU that this team is fractured as hell. I hope he enjoys the 5th round.

Barkley is the only one that has any potential reason to return. Granted, I agree with Scott, there is some big risk to it... but he's the only one there with no major reason to be worried about his job or his team.
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Wow what the heck if Barkley doing, he is making a mistake I feel, he would almost be a lock to be a top 5 pick. I see no reason why he wants to return unless he wants to go after a National title.

But like others have said, cannot get much better than he played this year...
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Geno Smith and WVU are committing mass felonies in the Orange Bowl tonight.

I think Smith works his way into first round discussion in 2013, the REAL 'quarterback' draft.
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Yup, next year is loaded. Until next year, when 2014 becomes the 'real' class.
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Why is Aaron Murray in anyone's top 5?
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With his tools and the rate he is progressing, Logan Thomas will be a high pick for somebody.

Slim chance Murray goes ahead of him. Or Wilson, but I've not been too impressed with him.
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Why is Aaron Murray in anyone's top 5?
Presumably because good quarterbacks tend top have their fans, no matter the confounding factors that often go into ranking for the draft, and Aaron Murray is a good college quarterback. Very few people have actually scouted him for the NFL at this point. I know I haven't. Also, it would hardly be unusual for someone who is a sophomore to legitimately get bigger.
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No love for Keith Price in here? He arguably was one of the most impressive QBs in NCAA this year. I know his size will be questioned but if he is able to bulk up a little and continue to progress as a qb then he most definitely will be right up in the top of the qb conversation next year. His throwing motion is superb and in his first year starting he was incredible successful this year.
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No love for Keith Price in here? He arguably was one of the most impressive QBs in NCAA this year. I know his size will be questioned but if he is able to bulk up a little and continue to progress as a qb then he most definitely will be right up in the top of the qb conversation next year. His throwing motion is superb and in his first year starting he was incredible successful this year.
Keith's been great and will probably stay till his senior year so he'll have another year beyond next year. Somewhat limited from a tools standpoint but he could sneak into that top tier at some point. Really starting to remind me of Charlie Ward at the college level.
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1. Tyler Wilson
2. Matt Barkley
3. Logan Thomas*
4. Tyler Bray*
5. Landry Jones
6. James Franklin*
7. E.J. Manuel
8. Mike Glennon
9. Keith Price*
10. Aaron Murray*

I can wait a season.
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1. Tyler Wilson
2. Matt Barkley
3. Logan Thomas*
4. Tyler Bray*
5. Landry Jones
6. James Franklin*
7. E.J. Manuel
8. Mike Glennon
9. Keith Price*
10. Aaron Murray*

I can wait a season.
EJ Manual over Mike Glennon? :'(
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As of now, I'd go...

1. Matt Barkley - USC
2. Tyler Bray - Tennessee*
3. Logan Thomas - Virginia Tech*
4. Geno Smith - West Virginia
5. Tyler Wilson - Arkansas
6. Aaron Murray - Georgia*
7. Landry Jones - Oklahoma
8. Keith Price - Washington*
9. Bryn Renner - North Carolina*
10. E.J. Manuel - Florida State

There's no question that Barkley is the best as of now. If he had come out this year it would be a heck of a race for the #2 spot behind Andrew Luck. In my opinion: Barkley is the real deal and the favorite to go first overall despite a lack of elite measurables.

If anyone stands in his way, it's Tyler Bray. It appears as if he has the highest upside as an NFL prospect if he continues to improve and puts on a little weight.

Wilson is losing three of his top receivers, so we'll see if he hangs in the discussion next season. My gut tells me he won't be a first round pick in 2013.

Geno Smith is the real darkhorse. I don't think a lot of you guys realize how good he is. Has a good head on his shoulders, is accurate, and can make all the throws. Additionally, he gets back both of his explosive, 1000+ yard WRs next season.
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As of now, I'd go...

1. Matt Barkley - USC
2. Tyler Bray - Tennessee*
3. Logan Thomas - Virginia Tech*
4. Geno Smith - West Virginia
5. Tyler Wilson - Arkansas
6. Aaron Murray - Georgia*
7. Landry Jones - Oklahoma
8. Keith Price - Washington*
9. Bryn Renner - North Carolina*
10. E.J. Manuel - Florida State

There's no question that Barkley is the best as of now. If he had come out this year it would be a heck of a race for the #2 spot behind Andrew Luck. In my opinion: Barkley is the real deal and the favorite to go first overall despite a lack of elite measurables.

If anyone stands in his way, it's Tyler Bray. It appears as if he has the highest upside as an NFL prospect if he continues to improve and puts on a little weight.

Wilson is losing three of his top receivers, so we'll see if he hangs in the discussion next season. My gut tells me he won't be a first round pick in 2013.

Geno Smith is the real darkhorse. I don't think a lot of you guys realize how good he is. Has a good head on his shoulders, is accurate, and can make all the throws. Additionally, he gets back both of his explosive, 1000+ yard WRs next season.
Well, certainly Barkley and G.Smith are going to put up gaudy stats next year barring injury but their supporting cast and offenses should be accounted for. I've got Wilson at the top because of the mobility and toughness he showed this past season to go along with his arm. Even if his numbers don't come up, if he does that again (if he survives), I think he's #1. I took Mizzou's Franklin as a darkhorse. What do you think of him?
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Well, certainly Barkley and G.Smith are going to put up gaudy stats next year barring injury but their supporting cast and offenses should be accounted for. I've got Wilson at the top because of the mobility and toughness he showed this past season to go along with his arm. Even if his numbers don't come up, if he does that again (if he survives), I think he's #1. I took Mizzou's Franklin as a darkhorse. What do you think of him?
So big numbers and good supporting casts ought to downgrade a prospect now? I've watched enough tape on Barkley this past season (he was among my favorites to watch) and I concluded the guy is nothing like Jimmy Clausen, which I initially feared. Besides, nobody had a deeper supporting cast on offense than Tyler Wilson (Wright, Adams, Hamilton, Childs, D. Johnson, etc.)

Malcolm Lee and Robert Woods are both excellent receivers, but more often than not it is Barkley throwing them open. He has a remarkable amount of trust in his WRs, much more than you typically see at the college level. He has the intelligence/awareness to recognize his receivers' talent and put balls in the air where only his guy can come down with it. Barkley throws downfield with incredible touch & accuracy at times, and to me, he was every bit as good a player this season for USC as his counterpart Andrew Luck was at Stanford.

Below I include my brief notes on Matt Barkley from this past season:

Matt Barkley - Southern Cal
Displays a very natural feel for the game
Shows a great understanding of anticipation and timing in the passing game
Excellent command; can make difficult touch throws or drive the ball into tight windows
Has the arm strength to make any throw
Very confident; Poised and a natural leader
Good decision maker; knows where his receivers are on the field, reads-and-reacts, & gets rid of the ball quickly
Solid footwork and mobility, but must learn to use his feet better when escaping pressure
Occasionally he will overthrow passes across the middle; rarely guilty of under-throwing receivers
Height may be a concern to some (roughly 62)


... Also: on Geno Smith. I'll never forget what I heard after the loss against LSU. CBSSports writer Bruce Feldman, closing up shop for the night, was walking out of the stadium and back to his hotel. On his way, he was passed by Geno Smith, who was re-entering the facility to watch film on the loss. It was 1 in the morning.

While that story doesn't make Geno a better player, it speaks volumes about his work ethic and his drive to be great. The fact that he's already committing himself to the game like a pro always impressed me. Expect Smith to continue improving and to go down as the best passer in West Virginia history. It won't surprise me if we're talking about him as a first round pick next April.
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C'mon. I like Barkley. A lot. I have him #2. I just happen to like Wilson more right now because of his mobility and the ability to still produce while taking a beating for the whole season.

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... Also: on Geno Smith. I'll never forget what I heard after the loss against LSU. CBSSports writer Bruce Feldman, closing up shop for the night, was walking out of the stadium and back to his hotel. On his way, he was passed by Geno Smith, who was re-entering the facility to watch film on the loss. It was 1 in the morning.

While that story doesn't make Geno a better player, it speaks volumes about his work ethic and his drive to be great. The fact that he's already committing himself to the game like a pro always impressed me. Expect Smith to continue improving and to go down as the best passer in West Virginia history. It won't surprise me if we're talking about him as a first round pick next April.
That is impressive-we'll see.
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I'd like to go out on a limb and bring up a name I haven't seen mentioned yet (for good reason, he hasn't played), Brett Nottingham. He won the back-up job to Luck last year as a Redshirt Freshman over a couple of decent upperclassmen after being a big-time recruit the year before.

His scouting reports out of high school read like a future H.O.Fer with the caveat that he doesn't quite have the arm strength of the top level guys...well, in mop-up duty last year he played well and in-fact does have enough arm, and it's hard to not project a 6'4" (6'3 3/8" at a combine as a 17 year old) kid with crisp mechanics not improving his arm, if anyone remembers, Bradford had an absolute noodle for an arm his Freshman and Sophomore years.

I know it's just H.S. numbers, but he completed 70% of his passes...that's pretty damn rare. It's just after seeing everything the internet has to offer on the kid, I'm on the bandwagon a la RGIII after his freshman year. There was even an interview a year ago where Zach Ertz (Backup TE who played with Nottingham in H.S.) was asked about Luck leaving and he just blew it off and pretty much said Nottingham will be able to step in right away, take that with a grain of salt, I know...but still.

I guess more than anything, I'm just bookmarking the "I told you so" rights for 2013 or 2014. haha
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... Also: on Geno Smith. I'll never forget what I heard after the loss against LSU. CBSSports writer Bruce Feldman, closing up shop for the night, was walking out of the stadium and back to his hotel. On his way, he was passed by Geno Smith, who was re-entering the facility to watch film on the loss. It was 1 in the morning.

While that story doesn't make Geno a better player, it speaks volumes about his work ethic and his drive to be great. The fact that he's already committing himself to the game like a pro always impressed me. Expect Smith to continue improving and to go down as the best passer in West Virginia history. It won't surprise me if we're talking about him as a first round pick next April.
I'm not even going to lie, that bumps up Geno a bit in my book even if it shouldn't. I love to hear stuff like that about guys, especially quarterbacks. That's the difference between just making it to the NFL an succeeding most of the time.
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I like Geno Smith as well
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Tyler Bray is that dude. Just don't let him out of the gym/cafeteria.
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Going into the season my top 5:

1. Matt Barkley - USC
2. Logan Thomas - Virginia Tech*
3. Tyler Bray - Tennessee*
4. Tyler Wilson - Arkansas
5. Landry Jones - Oklahoma


I have four first round grades. Barkley, Thomas and Bray in the top 5 overall and Wilson in the late first.

IMO, it will end up being similar to the 2011 class


You have Barkley playing the role of Luck
Tyler Bray is your Barkley, he goes back to school.
Thomas is RG3.
Then Tyler is your Tannehill and he gets pushed into the top 10.
Landry Jones is Brandon Weeden.


Teams likely to take a QB

Bills
Chiefs
Raiders

May take QB depending on development of current starter

Browns
Jets
Pats - depending on how much Brady has left in the tank
Jaguars
Vikings
49ers
Cardinals
Saints - see Pats

My projection

Browns have the first pick, Holmgren, Heckert and Shurmur get fired and the knew front office move on from Weeden, they take Barkley.

Miami at number 2 pull a Rams like trade with the Chiefs. Chiefs take Thomas.

Raiders panic and reach on Tyler Wilson.


And my surprise pick, Landry Jones goes to the Pats at the back end of the first after they trade Ryan Mallett for a high second.
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Tyler Wilson showed more in one season then Tannehill ever will. If he even comes close to the season he just had he's easily top ten.
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