2012 Draft Thread

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[Iamcanadian]

Originally Posted by ArtModel

An injury-prone running back....missed his entire soph. year of high school with a serious ankle injury. The facts on 1st rd rbs...
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1st rd rbs--28
voted to pro bowl--9 (32%)
average draft position--18.2
ave yds season--729
ave yds rb picked 1-10--741
ave yds rb picked 11-20--665
ave yds rb picked 21-32--746
1st rd rbs 2011 pro bowl 0...wall street journal

A 29 year old qb throwing from the spread in college...in effect trading phil taylor and weeden for julio jones..Holmgren pulled rank on heckert to take him, so just as reid ran it in philly, holmgren runs it here.
Reach for Blackmon or take Claiborne
Reiff (sp?) at 22
ga tech wr at 37

I don't mind the Richardson pick at all although I agree that 1st round RB's have had problems but it has been about injuries most of the time. Richardson has a shot to be very special and a potential HoF RB. What bothered me was the picks we gave up when he would have been there at #4.

However if I was drafting, I would have taken Blackmon at #4, Martin at #22 and used the picks we gave Minny + #37 to trade back up for Weeden. With Weeden at QB, Martin at RB and Blackmon at WR, we at least would have had a shot at having a solid offense within 2 years.

IMO, the Browns, namely Holmgren, thought he had RG111 in the bag and when that didn't workout, he had no fall back plan, panicked and was fooled into giving up 4 picks for Richardson, then still unhinged, took Weeden praying for the best, after all, if he really loved Weeden why go after RG111 in the first place.

We had all better pray Weeden pans out because if he flops, the franchise will be set back a minimum of 6-7 years and Holmgren/Heckert will be long gone and another GM will put another rebuilding plan into action. It's a pretty frightening scenario for me, to see my beloved Browns become the laughing stock of the NFL.

[ArtModel]

Look at other high rbs, my man. LT, Ricky Williams (very high), and AP. Lt and williams were 5th overall, with AP being 7th overall. Richardson did not work the combine, or bama's pro day due to knee surgery (not his 1st).
From a top sports website:"Our [doctor] said he was going to need a solid No. 2 with him," a scout told me. "He's 25 carries, not 35. He's not [Adrian] Peterson." And we took him #3.
As far as Weezin (due to age) the oldest ever 1st round pick...He is not a stud talent who just happended to be older, he is a product of the spread system with excellent skill positon players like Blackmon. If he learns the pro style in the next few years he will be 32. The biggest concern when drafting him was Holmgren keeping his job for short term stopgap. Holmgrem @ 10 mill?

[ArtModel]

10 Million to get swindled by the vikings?

[Brown Leader]

Tampa traded their 2nd and moved back from the top of the 4th to the bottom to get Doug Martin. You two really think they weren't ready to trade up for less than us? And we still had the most picks in the draft, c'mon.

[Iamcanadian]

Originally Posted by Brown Leader

Tampa traded their 2nd and moved back from the top of the 4th to the bottom to get Doug Martin. You two really think they weren't ready to trade up for less than us? And we still had the most picks in the draft, c'mon.

If the Vikings traded with Tampa Bay, they seriously risked losing Kalil who they obviously coveted even with all the smokescreens saying otherwise. Cleveland could easily have traded the #4 pick with someone in the top 10 who also wanted Kalil and got a minimum of a 2nd rounder thrown in and maybe more.
Martin and Wilson were still 1st round talents at RB and could be had with the 22nd pick.
It isn't that Tampa Bay didn't want Richardson, it is the fact that Minny wanted Kalil that made any trade with Tampa very dangerous for the Vikings and I see no way they would have done it. They sent out false smokescreens indicating that they would pass on Kalil and Holmgren/Heckert fell for it hook, line and sinker.
The simple fact is that they made thje trade with Atlanta last year to ensure they had the ammunition to get RG111 but tried to play hardball with the Rams and it backfired.
IMO, Holmgren/Heckert had a miserable post season and the Browns could pay for it for years to come.

[ArtModel]

Originally Posted by Iamcanadian

.The simple fact is that they made thje trade with Atlanta last year to ensure they had the ammunition to get RG111 but tried to play hardball with the Rams and it backfired.
IMO, Holmgren/Heckert had a miserable post season and the Browns could pay for it for years to come.

Amen. We were around $19 mil under the cap pre draft, we still have to be right up there in the top 5. Can it be rolled into next year? I know most free agents are overpaid (Dan Snyder) but isn't there a cap floor?

[Iamcanadian]

Originally Posted by ArtModel

Amen. We were around $19 mil under the cap pre draft, we still have to be right up there in the top 5. Can it be rolled into next year? I know most free agents are overpaid (Dan Snyder) but isn't there a cap floor?

There is now a hard cap floor so a certain minimum must be spent this year. I don't remember the figures but it is pretty high which explains why Buffalo spent a fortune on Williams in FA. They were under the cap by a wide margin for years with a notoriously cheap owner.
So, no, most of it must be spent this year and only a minimal amount can be rolled over.