New York Giants Discussion - Page 204

OSUGiants17 · 05-24-2012, 02:52 PM

Seriously, like BBD said, it can't be coincidental anymore. These guys clearly aren't doing their jobs right. Injuries in the game is one thing, that's just football, but pre-season injuries, especially muscle injuries are entirely the training/medical staff's fault.

OSUGiants17 · 05-24-2012, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

Oh and hey Ramses Barden, if you ride the bike this training camp you can go **** yourself you worthless piece of ****. Time to step up or gtfo.

So many possible captions for this picture:

bigbluedefense · 05-24-2012, 02:56 PM

I hate Barden so much.

BaLLiN · 05-24-2012, 03:03 PM

BBD, Nicks broke a bone... that kind of stuff happens, and you've gotta be happy that it wasn't worse. 12 weeks from now would make it august 16th, that is, what, three weeks prior to the season opener? Like I said, be happy that it wasn't that bad.

bigbluedefense · 05-24-2012, 03:04 PM

I know it's not bad, but it's still frustrating. And broken feet can linger. Ask Prince.

Hopefully this will give Randle more reps in practice. But I stand by my statements on our medical and training staff. I think it's a serious problem that we never look into.

Jughead10 · 05-24-2012, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

I know it's not bad, but it's still frustrating. And broken feet can linger. Ask Prince.

Hopefully this will give Randle more reps in practice. But I stand by my statements on our medical and training staff. I think it's a serious problem that we never look into.

Could be the GM too. Drafting injury prone players. Some guys just get hurt, a lot. I'm not saying Nicks is one of them, but did he have a lot of injuries at UNC?

BaLLiN · 05-24-2012, 03:08 PM

Maybe, maybe not. Doesn't hurt to look around. This gives our WR's a chance to take more reps like you said, specifically Randle, Hixon, and Jernigan. Those three are going to have to fill the 3, 4, and 5 spots unless Barden stops being a pussbag.

bigbluedefense · 05-24-2012, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jughead10

Could be the GM too. Drafting injury prone players. Some guys just get hurt, a lot. I'm not saying Nicks is one of them, but did he have a lot of injuries at UNC?

Accorsi was actually notorious for drafting "bargain" injury prone guys in the middle of the draft but Reese has been the opposite. We generally stay away from guys with medical histories.

Even our FAs, like Boley and Canty, both were known as durable healthy guys before they got here, then all of a sudden they're walking bandages.

It's the medical and training staff.

Damix · 05-24-2012, 03:31 PM

Yea we've been saying this for years not, this isn't a gutshot reaction from BBD. Our traning staff sucks.

Giantsfan1080 · 05-24-2012, 03:47 PM

I disagree. There is nothing a training staff can do so you don't break your 5th metatarsal.

Also,

bigbluedefense · 05-24-2012, 03:54 PM

That is true. We can throw a bunch of scrubs out there and Eli balls so hard they'll each get 1000 yards receiving.

I love Eli so much. It feels so good having a stud muffin at qb.

Thats why we can keep drafting defense early and just make Eli make chicken salad out of chicken **** and be good enough on offense while keeping a dominant defense.

Giantsfan1080 · 05-24-2012, 03:56 PM

He'll probably miss the first 2 or 3 games so we just need the next guy to step up. Also, the defense will just have to carry us for a little. The injuries suck no doubt though and I am totally sick of them.

bigbluedefense · 05-24-2012, 03:58 PM

Well hopefully the run game picks up as well. I'm sure teams are gonna go nickel defense on us all 3 downs this year, if we can get that run game going it will go a long way in improving our team as a whole.

I want to see us run the rock like we did in 08.

Giantsfan1080 · 05-24-2012, 04:04 PM

Wilson and Bradshaw will have to play a huge role early. Also, as the biggest defender of Barden here he HAS to step it up now. If he shows nothing I'll readily admit I was wrong but I think he can step up and do well enough. This goes to show much we really needed a WR this draft.

bigbluedefense · 05-24-2012, 04:07 PM

So will our TEs. Sealing the edges is so critical to our run game, we need Bennett and Robinson to really lock down the edges so our Guards can pull.

And Baas has to like...you know...actually block somebody. Too many times last year I saw him whiff on blocks bc he didn't know who to pick up, or take terrible angles and whiff on his block, or just get owned. If he doesn't hold up in the middle, our pulling guards won't be successful either.

And for what it's worth, we all love Boothe, but if you back and look at the tape, he was very mediocre pulling last year. If our OGs can't pull, our run game is shot. Snee is a step slow now and Boothe is not good at pulling. So that's something to consider as well.

And Hynoski routinely took bad angles as well. Our blocking was just awful in the run game last year.

Giantsfan1080 · 05-24-2012, 04:10 PM

Blocking will improve. I'm 100% positive on that.

Jughead10 · 05-24-2012, 04:10 PM

Boothe needs to get rid of that dumpy ass and maybe he can pull a bit better. I know someone who played with him in college and he said he came in close to 400lbs as a freshman. He's a fat kid.

BigBlueNorwegian · 05-24-2012, 04:17 PM

The Nicks injury is not that bad. Better to have it happen now than mid-season. And it's a freak injury anyways, it happens a lot to European soccer players getting stepped on by other players(common way to fracture metatarsal).

Having said that, I do agree with the notion of changing our medical and training staff. But that's mostly because of the multitude of lingering muscle strains and torn ligaments.

bigbluedefense · 05-24-2012, 04:18 PM

I really hope Petrus steps up this year but it seems like the coaching staff loves Boothe.

Petrus is a beast of a run blocker but he really needs to work on his pass pro. Hopefully he gets some reps this year.

Giantsfan1080 · 05-24-2012, 04:43 PM

I think Snee/Diehl on the RT will be plowing people. Snee has a huge bounce back year in him.

BaLLiN · 05-24-2012, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

He'll probably miss the first 2 or 3 games so we just need the next guy to step up. Also, the defense will just have to carry us for a little. The injuries suck no doubt though and I am totally sick of them.

12 weeks from tomorrow would be the 17th, he is having a screw put in tomorrow. I don't see how that makes his return go to mid september... 3 weeks is close to the amount of rehab time according to my brother (physical therapist), but he said that he could miss the first game. I don't think that he'll miss 2 or 3 games though.

Nicks has played through injury before, we shouldn't be mad about this because him getting healthy instead of going through camp could be good for him. Less stress on his body.

CowboysBeastMode · 05-24-2012, 07:04 PM

i wish i were happy that nicks could very likely miss the opener but im very disappointed i was looking foward to brandon carr locking him on national tv... oooh well

to speedy recovery hakeem (i always thought you would be star when jon gruden said you reminded him of michael irvin) mr carr and mr claiborne will be waiting for you

Forenci · 05-24-2012, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CowboysBeastMode

i wish i were happy that nicks could very likely miss the opener but im very disappointed i was looking foward to brandon carr locking him on national tv... oooh well

to speedy recovery hakeem (i always thought you would be star when jon gruden said you reminded him of michael irvin) mr carr and mr claiborne will be waiting for you

Lol go away troll.

Giantsfan1080 · 05-24-2012, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BaLLiN

12 weeks from tomorrow would be the 17th, he is having a screw put in tomorrow. I don't see how that makes his return go to mid september... 3 weeks is close to the amount of rehab time according to my brother (physical therapist), but he said that he could miss the first game. I don't think that he'll miss 2 or 3 games though.

Nicks has played through injury before, we shouldn't be mad about this because him getting healthy instead of going through camp could be good for him. Less stress on his body.

Prince had the same injury. It will go longer.

BaLLiN · 05-25-2012, 11:56 AM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_920323.html

8/6 was the date that Prince had the injury, debuted November 20th against the eagles. So lets do some math here...

104 days from the surgery date (8/8 i'm pretty sure). So 104/7= 14.857142857142857~15 weeks. Now Prince was actually almost put on the roster for the game the week previous, but knowing that he wasn't adept with the terminology and defense he was not. So there is a case that the rehab would actually be 14 weeks.

The opener on september 5th will be a total of 110 days (~16 weeks) from today (Hakeem's surgery date). So I am not saying that Hakeem will be back, but given previous players with this injury, he will be able to play around that time. Also, there is a possibility that Hakeem could be back even earlier because of that 1 week that Prince wasn't put in the lineup but almost was, and also because he might get better blood supply to the area.

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2...amara_suf.html

Beatty had a similar injury but he was only out for 2 months.

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Per @adamschefter:
One person familiar with WR Hakeem Nicks' fractured foot said it was more like a "4- to 6-week" injury. Opener vs Dallas still in play.