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Old 05-25-2012, 04:21 PM    (permalink
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LOL.

That's just ridiculous blocking by Wisconsin and they blast running lanes like that for Ball at least 3 times a game.

It may not be fair to Ball, but if he doesn't score on opportunities like this almost every single time, it hurts in his evaluation.

Not saying Ball doesn't have the ability to be a starting RB in the NFL, but I still believe he's nowhere as good as his stats would suggest.

Otherwise he would have declared in 2012.
The sad thing about that play is that it was only a gain of around 10 yards. The safety you see in the picture ended up making the tackle.
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You'll see how overrated he is August 31.
Can't wait to see him. Will I see Cincinnati Tyler Bray or Kentucky Tyler Bray? Against our secondary, I'll go with Kentucky Tyler Bray is more likely.

Will you see Clemson Mike Glennon or FSU Mike Glennon?
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LOL.

That's just ridiculous blocking by Wisconsin and they blast running lanes like that for Ball at least 3 times a game.

It may not be fair to Ball, but if he doesn't score on opportunities like this almost every single time, it hurts in his evaluation.

Not saying Ball doesn't have the ability to be a starting RB in the NFL, but I still believe he's nowhere as good as his stats would suggest.

Otherwise he would have declared in 2012.
I agree. I think he made a horrible decision in staying in school. What could he possibly do to improve his stock after having a year with 2200+ yards from scrimmage and 39 total TD's?
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Can't wait to see him. Will I see Cincinnati Tyler Bray or Kentucky Tyler Bray? Against our secondary, I'll go with Kentucky Tyler Bray is more likely.

Will you see Clemson Mike Glennon or FSU Mike Glennon?
Tyler Bray was playing the Kentucky game with the flu and a broken thumb. Prepare to be extremely disappointed if you think you're seeing that.
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Tyler Bray was playing the Kentucky game with the flu and a broken thumb. Prepare to be extremely disappointed if you think you're seeing that.
So what is his best game to date? He played really well in the Cincy game. Buffalo? Montana? Ugh. Umm, 2010 - Memphis? Ole Miss?

By no means am I saying he's awful or has no chance to be a 1st round pick. Just saying he has not shown, in any way, shape, or form, the ability to perform like a top 10 or even 1st round pick. He's only a RS-JR, so he has plenty of time. But if you look at his performance on the field, there's nothing aside from Rocky Top bias that would lead you to believe he should be a top 10 selection next year.
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But if you look at his performance on the field, there's nothing aside from Rocky Top bias that would lead you to believe he should be a top 10 selection next year.

Unless you care about talent, tools, potential, and silly stuff like that.
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Unless you care about talent, tools, potential, and silly stuff like that.
Stats are the ultimate measure of how good a player is, it's why Colt Brennan is tearing it up in the NFL.
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Unless you care about talent, tools, potential, and silly stuff like that.
Not very good at that whole reading comprehension thing, eh? What part of " if you look at his performance on the field" did you not understand? If talent, tools, and potential are there and he can't perform on the field, that's ripe for epic bust potential. If you want to jerk off to Bray's potential, go for it. The fact remains that his completion percentage is atrocious and he pads what little stats he has had against weak competition.

What has he done to warrant top 10 consideration in your estimation?
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Not very good at that whole reading comprehension thing, eh? What part of " if you look at his performance on the field" did you not understand? If talent, tools, and potential are there and he can't perform on the field, that's ripe for epic bust potential. If you want to jerk off to Bray's potential, go for it. The fact remains that his completion percentage is atrocious and he pads what little stats he has had against weak competition.

What has he done to warrant top 10 consideration in your estimation?
Be honest, have you actually seen Tyler Bray play? Because it sounds like you're basing all of this off of box scores.
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Be honest, have you actually seen Tyler Bray play? Because it sounds like you're basing all of this off of box scores.
The answer is no. He said Bray was a RS-JR which is incorrect as well. He knows nothing.

He's trying to downgrade Tyler Bray while also throwing Mike Glennon out there as underrated.

Tyler Bray this past season had a better YPA, TD/INT ratio, and QB rating as a true sophomore compared to the redshirt junior that is Mike Glennon.

Also, how is Tyler Bray injury prone? He broke his thumb on top of an opposing player's helmet in the follow-through of a pass. That can literally happen to any QB on any passing play.
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The answer is no. He said Bray was a RS-JR which is incorrect as well. He knows nothing.

He's trying to downgrade Tyler Bray while also throwing Mike Glennon out there as underrated.

Tyler Bray this past season had a better YPA, TD/INT ratio, and QB rating as a true sophomore compared to the redshirt junior that is Mike Glennon.

Also, how is Tyler Bray injury prone? He broke his thumb on top of an opposing player's helmet in the follow-through of a pass. That can literally happen to any QB on any passing play.
I don't believe I said he was injury prone, did I? If I did, it was a mistype. I didn't realize he didn't take a rs year, my bad. That obviously means he's not overrated. I also didn't realize the gigantic boner quite a few guys have over him on this forum. Didn't mean to rile you guys up.

Tyler Bray is gonna be fan-*******-tastic! Can't wait to see him tearin' up the NFL like he's tearin' up the SEC! Boy, I sure hope he takes it easy on us come August 31st or we're in super duper trouble. (that better?)
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Not very good at that whole reading comprehension thing, eh? What part of " if you look at his performance on the field" did you not understand? If talent, tools, and potential are there and he can't perform on the field, that's ripe for epic bust potential. If you want to jerk off to Bray's potential, go for it. The fact remains that his completion percentage is atrocious and he pads what little stats he has had against weak competition.

What has he done to warrant top 10 consideration in your estimation?

Yeah, you're right dude. His ability hasn't translated to the field at all. He sucks.
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I don't believe I said he was injury prone, did I? If I did, it was a mistype.
You said "injury concerns". Same thing basically.

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I didn't realize he didn't take a rs year, my bad. That obviously means he's not overrated.
No. It's just further proof that you don't really know what you're talking about.

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My opinion didn't change. I'm quite alright with anyone who feels he is valued correctly or undervalued even. I don't believe that to be the case. I hope he torches every team after August 31st, but based on past production being an indicator of future performance, I do not believe he warrants a top half of the first round grade at this point. Fair enough?
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I never said you need to change your opinion. I said challenging your opinion.
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Can't wait to see him. Will I see Cincinnati Tyler Bray or Kentucky Tyler Bray? Against our secondary, I'll go with Kentucky Tyler Bray is more likely.
Kentucky Tyler Bray was playing with a busted thumb on his throwing hand, so uhhhh...

And I don't side with any secondary against this WR corps.
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Can't wait to see NC State vs. Tennessee Aug. 31st. Physically Bray and Glennon are very similar prospects. Both are extremely tall with cannon arms.
Should be one of the best early games of the season, love it that both guys have legit top 10 pick ability.

I'm a huge Glennon fan and think he's slightly underrated on this board. With the depth and skill in the 2013 QB draft class, guys really need to shine when they have the chance to distance themselves from the other prospects.
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Overrated:

Mingo - Needs weight, but a great mover. Needs weight.

Rambo - Hit or miss safety getting first round talk because of his 8 INT season. He's not that good.

Ray Ray Armstrong - Everyone's talking about this upcoming safety class, but Reid, McDonald, and maybe Lester are the only two (so far) that I'd draft in the first two rounds.

That Hunter WR fom Tenn - Woods and Allen I like.

Barrett Jones - Decent prospect, but eh.

Bjoern Werner - Overrated as a pass rusher, but could be a Matt Roth type player.

Margus Hunt - Is that his name? Yeah, he's overrated if I'm going by his thread here.

Manti Te'o - Only because he and almost all LBs like him should go at the top of the second unless the draft really sucks.

Underrated:

Montgomery - Better pro body, explosive in his own right, productive, more experienced (more snaps, actually started), right now the only pass rusher I like as much or more than the Texas two.

Jonathan Cooper - G from UNC has big, big upside.
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That Hunter WR fom Tenn - Woods and Allen I like.
Very convincing.
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