Aldon Smith stabbed this morning...

[K Train]

Visionary Villianz

lmao i love aldon smith now, him and gronk should team up and throw a BASH

[PACKmanN]

At least the packers win things when their athletes get injuries

[BigBanger]

Originally Posted by phlysac

Aldon Smith being arrested for DUI is terrible. He should be ashamed. There is ZERO justification. Aside from that what did Smith do besides be a victim of violence?

Are you being thick? Aldon a victim? HE threw a party at HIS house. People HE invited FOUGHT, then pulled KNIVES, then STABBED people, which caused other people to draw their GUNS and start SHOOTING people. ALDON was directly in the middle of it. So much so, that HE was stabbed during the fight. HE wants to have villains, or whatever they call themselves, at HIS house. If HE wants to party with over 100 people who flash gang signs, get drunk (I'm sure no one brought any drugs) and fight, then that's violence HE is welcoming in HIS home. That's not a victim. You want to surround yourself with animals, then you should expect animals to act like ... animals.

I don't know who said he was "breaking up a fight", but from what I can tell that probably didn't actually happen. Was this Aldon who said that? Someone on his behalf? A PR person for the 49ers?

As far as I've discovered, the party goers weren't talking to the cops immediately after it happened. They shoot each other, but they have "ethics" ... like not talking to the cops, and not snitching on the people who just tried to kill them. Great group of people to surround yourself with. That's real nice. Sometimes people have things done to them that was provoked or brought on by their own actions / negligence. I'll give you a couple of examples.

Example #1: Gang banger #1 makes a hit on an opposite gang. Opposite gang retaliates and shoots someone from gang banger 1s gang, we'll call him gang banger #2. Even though gang banger #2 didn't try to kill gangster from opposite gang (no direct involvement), he is not a victim for being shot. He's not a murder victim. He wears his colors, tats, walks his turf and should expect such actions and such consequences. He invites it. If he dies, it's of natural causes. Natural for him anyway. If that's the life you want to live, then you should expect the very real possibility that something like that is going to happen. You open the door for someone to shoot you, then someone will.

Example #2: A 15 year old girl gets herself wasted. She texts little 20 year old Johnny hot-and-bothered to come over while mom's at work. Johnny does. He bangs the 15 year old drunk while she's barely conscious. When she sobers up though (and/or when mommy finds out) she wants to take it back. She wants to cry rape. Well, not really much of a rape victim now is she? No, just a stupid, naive, dumb ***** who had it coming. If you wanna be a little ***** and invite horned up boys over to your house, drunk or no ******* drunk, then you should expect the very real possibility that something like that is going to happen. You open the door for someone to "rape" you, then someone will.

Example #3: Young girl is walking home from work at 3:00 am. Two males, much larger and not cowardly at all, attack her from behind, beat her, punch her, kick her and simply break her face. Once beaten take her money, cell phone and anything else available on her person. They leave her laying on pavement with her broken face. Completely random, complete strangers. Now is that a victim? Did she invite this attack? By walking the streets at 3 am? I don't think so. Now I would call that a victim.

I don't think Aldon really fits in with the girl from example #3.

Originally Posted by phlysac

He was stabbed at a party. I pray that Kevin Durant, or any other person for that matter, who parties doesn't get stabbed or worse. But Smith being stabbed doesn't mean, in any sense, that he is at fault. It could be proven he was, but assuming one way or the other would be accepting all pretense.

I think you can drop Kevin Durant. Gotta keep bringing him don't ya? Most people who party don't get stabbed. If you party with people who feel the need to carry knives + guns to the parties that they go to, then, yeah, you can worry about getting stabbed and/or shot.

Aldon is at fault. Not taking any responsibility for this will only make things worse. It will be like his DUI. He wont learn anything from it and something will happen again. He can grow up now. He can learn how to handle stardom. He can learn how to keep himself from getting jammed up. I don't care about the DUI at all. It happens. Whatever. But learn from it. Figure it out.

Originally Posted by phlysac

The initial post states the headline topic. I should assume that noone is ever allowed to expound upon that by giving their personal opinion on partying, in general? That opinion was stated. It was then responded to. Why is it only ridiculous for "biased" 49ers fans to continue discussing new opinions brought forth by the original headline?

You can certainly expound upon anything. You can go as far off topic as you'd like. But when you start comparing Kevin Durant to Aldon Smith, then people might say something about how you shouldn't bother going there. Don't be surprised when that happens, or act like those weren't your intentions.

Originally Posted by phlysac

It's obviously relevant enough for you to bash an entire team's fanbase, as well as respond to nearly every opinion I've expressed.

I like the 49ers. You being biased has nothing to do with their fanbase. Unless ... you are the fanbase? Are you claiming to be the fanbase?

[nikkayeah]

Originally Posted by BigBanger

Are you being thick? Aldon a victim? HE threw a party at HIS house. People HE invited FOUGHT, then pulled KNIVES, then STABBED people, which caused other people to draw their GUNS and start SHOOTING people. ALDON was directly in the middle of it. So much so, that HE was stabbed during the fight. HE wants to have villains, or whatever they call themselves, at HIS house. If HE wants to party with over 100 people who flash gang signs, get drunk (I'm sure no one brought any drugs) and fight, then that's violence HE is welcoming in HIS home. That's not a victim. You want to surround yourself with animals, then you should expect animals to act like ... animals.

I don't know who said he was "breaking up a fight", but from what I can tell that probably didn't actually happen. Was this Aldon who said that? Someone on his behalf? A PR person for the 49ers?

As far as I've discovered, the party goers weren't talking to the cops immediately after it happened. They shoot each other, but they have "ethics" ... like not talking to the cops, and not snitching on the people who just tried to kill them. Great group of people to surround yourself with. That's real nice. Sometimes people have things done to them that was provoked or brought on by their own actions / negligence. I'll give you a couple of examples.

Example #1: Gang banger #1 makes a hit on an opposite gang. Opposite gang retaliates and shoots someone from gang banger 1s gang, we'll call him gang banger #2. Even though gang banger #2 didn't try to kill gangster from opposite gang (no direct involvement), he is not a victim for being shot. He's not a murder victim. He wears his colors, tats, walks his turf and should expect such actions and such consequences. He invites it. If he dies, it's of natural causes. Natural for him anyway. If that's the life you want to live, then you should expect the very real possibility that something like that is going to happen. You open the door for someone to shoot you, then someone will.

Example #2: A 15 year old girl gets herself wasted. She texts little 20 year old Johnny hot-and-bothered to come over while mom's at work. Johnny does. He bangs the 15 year old drunk while she's barely conscious. When she sobers up though (and/or when mommy finds out) she wants to take it back. She wants to cry rape. Well, not really much of a rape victim now is she? No, just a stupid, naive, dumb ***** who had it coming. If you wanna be a little ***** and invite horned up boys over to your house, drunk or no ******* drunk, then you should expect the very real possibility that something like that is going to happen. You open the door for someone to "rape" you, then someone will.

Example #3: Young girl is walking home from work at 3:00 am. Two males, much larger and not cowardly at all, attack her from behind, beat her, punch her, kick her and simply break her face. Once beaten take her money, cell phone and anything else available on her person. They leave her laying on pavement with her broken face. Completely random, complete strangers. Now is that a victim? Did she invite this attack? By walking the streets at 3 am? I don't think so. Now I would call that a victim.

I don't think Aldon really fits in with the girl from example #3.



I think you can drop Kevin Durant. Gotta keep bringing him don't ya? Most people who party don't get stabbed. If you party with people who feel the need to carry knives + guns to the parties that they go to, then, yeah, you can worry about getting stabbed and/or shot.

Aldon is at fault. Not taking any responsibility for this will only make things worse. It will be like his DUI. He wont learn anything from it and something will happen again. He can grow up now. He can learn how to handle stardom. He can learn how to keep getting himself jammed up. I don't care about the DUI at all. It happens. Whatever. But learn from it. Figure it out.



You can certainly expound upon anything. You can go as far off topic as you'd like. But when you start comparing Kevin Durant to Aldon Smith, then people might say something about how shouldn't bother going there. Don't be surprised when that happens or act like those weren't your intentions.



I like the 49ers. You being biased has nothing to do with their fanbase. Unless ... you're the fanbase? Are you claiming to be the fanbase?

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[G Mobile]

Pretty sure that #2 there is clearly rape...

[bigbluedefense]

Now that I saw the whole video clip, that party was actually kind of weak.

Once the models who were there for the photoshoot left, all that was left was a bunch of college chicks who were 5s and 6s at best. Come on Aldon, you can do better than that.

Your visionary villionz need to get some prescription contacts and recruit better looking bitches to your mansion parties.

[Brent]

Originally Posted by vidae

The 49er fans here always seem to get bothered by something.

I can make gross generalizations about Chiefs fans, if you wish.

[SuperMcGee]

You know, I was just thinking the NFL forum needed more 49ers-Chiefs bickering.

[Brodeur]

Originally Posted by G Mobile

Pretty sure that #2 there is clearly rape...

Yeahhhhh....

[Ness]

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

Now that I saw the whole video clip, that party was actually kind of weak.

Once the models who were there for the photoshoot left, all that was left was a bunch of college chicks who were 5s and 6s at best. Come on Aldon, you can do better than that.

Your visionary villionz need to get some prescription contacts and recruit better looking bitches to your mansion parties.

I don't think Aldon cared. He was getting paid.

[YAYareaRB]

Originally Posted by Brent

I can make gross generalizations about Chiefs fans, if you wish.

do it brent. i was offended

[BigBanger]

Originally Posted by G Mobile

Pretty sure that #2 there is clearly rape...

No **** sherlock. All three were examples of crimes where the actor was guilty of something (a murder, a sex offense and a robbery were the examples I used).

In example #2, yes, in some states, that would probably constitute a rape. In others, a lesser offense, but a sex offense nonetheless. 20 year old Johnny-hot-and-bothered took advantage of an underage girl. Yes, he was wrong in that scenario. Very wrong, and he's a complete scumbag. But, to my point, the 15 year old girl was wrong too. And she put herself in that position. So, not much of a rape victim when you lead a guy on, get yourself drunk and invite him over with intentions of having sex. If she was 17 in my scenario, this situation is different. Instead of it being a crime, it would simply be morally wrong. The only thing making this a crime is her age.

But I wasn't talking about the offense. I was talking about the "victims" of those crimes. There are legitimate victims and then there's people like Aldon Smith, who put themselves in the positions they find themselves. Technically, in the absolute most technical sense of the word, yes, Aldon Smith could be a victim of an attempted assault. But should we act like Aldon Smith is Mr. Innocent victim who was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time, victimized by a ruthless criminal who wanted to seriously injure him?

That was my point. Context ... I was referring to a post that said, "what did Smith do besides be a victim of violence?" Clearly he's not just a victim of violence. He brought this stabbing upon himself. By having the type of people at his house that he did. And then getting into the middle of a fight with those types of people.

I wouldn't say he's a victim until I find out what happened. And that might not happen.

[MetSox17]

No, pretty sure in every state that's full blown rape. It doesn't matter if she was stupid to drink and be horny, but there comes a point where she can no longer consent to engaging in sexual encounters, much less to a 20 year old as a 15 year old. That's also statutory rape.

[Bengals78]

Originally Posted by MetSox17

No, pretty sure in every state that's full blown rape. It doesn't matter if she was stupid to drink and be horny, but there comes a point where she can no longer consent to engaging in sexual encounters, much less to a 20 year old as a 15 year old. That's also statutory rape.

Go on.........

[WCH]

Originally Posted by MetSox17

No, pretty sure in every state that's full blown rape. It doesn't matter if she was stupid to drink and be horny, but there comes a point where she can no longer consent to engaging in sexual encounters, much less to a 20 year old as a 15 year old. That's also statutory rape.

And if somebody is dumb enough to record it on their phone and take it to a buddies house, it's considered "The Use of Children in the Production and Distribution of Sexually Explicit Material," no matter how old you are. I knew an idiot scumbag who wound up with 5-20 for doing that (and that was a pretty sweet plea compared to the 45+ years that he was initially looking at).

[NotMyJob]

lol this thread is awesome.

i don't want to torpedo this rape train, but i'm pretty sure he Banger wasn't intending it to turn into a discussion about the legality of his examples. he was just saying that, even though it is legally a rape, it isn't like 15-year old chick didn't put herself in that situation.

although that 20-year old is still a no-game-having-scumbag no matter where he is for even resorting to that.

but carry on with this!

[phlysac]

Originally Posted by NotMyJob

lol this thread is awesome.

i don't want to torpedo this rape train, but i'm pretty sure he Banger wasn't intending it to turn into a discussion about the legality of his examples. he was just saying that, even though it is legally a rape, it isn't like 15-year old chick didn't put herself in that situation.

although that 20-year old is still a no-game-having-scumbag no matter where he is for even resorting to that.

but carry on with this!

And she did put herself at risk... but she was still a victim.

[NotMyJob]

*sigh*



i never did say that she (the girl that Banger made up to illustrate his point) wasn't a victim. i was just trying to clarify the point he was trying to make. i'm not even sure if my assumption was right, but whether or not the hoe was a victim or not is so ridiculously not related to Aldon Smith it shouldn't matter whether i said it was her fault or not.

edit// OH, so Aldon Smith put himself in the situation but was also the victim of a stabbing. i get it, but i can't remember if anyone was arguing that he wasn't a victim of a stabbing, just that they didn't sympathize with him because of his poor decision-making.

for the record, i don't care either way. it sucks that the guy got stabbed, but i've been to parties where the same thing has happened. when you throw a house party and a large number of people show up you just have to roll with the punches. it gets to a point where you lose control of the whole thing and you just have to try to have a good time.

and sometimes people get shot/stabbed.

[phlysac]

Originally Posted by NotMyJob

OH, so Aldon Smith put himself in the situation but was also the victim of a stabbing. i get it, but i can't remember if anyone was arguing that he wasn't a victim of a stabbing,

Precisely my point. I believe Smith made many poor choices that lead to this result. But I believe he is still a victim of violent crime.

Originally Posted by BigBanger

Aldon a victim?

Originally Posted by BigBanger

That's not a victim.

Originally Posted by BigBanger

Aldon is at fault.

I counsel violent teenagers as my profession. I'm very aware of the many dynamics of violence and victimology. Victims awareness curriculum focuses on behaviors that increase the likelihood of victimization. Aldon Smith clearly exhibited behaviors that increase the likelihood of violent results. That was never my point.

[BigBanger]

Originally Posted by MetSox17

No, pretty sure in every state that's full blown rape. It doesn't matter if she was stupid to drink and be horny, but there comes a point where she can no longer consent to engaging in sexual encounters, much less to a 20 year old as a 15 year old. That's also statutory rape.

Well, no. Not every state. In New York State (It's the law I know best), this hypothetical scenario would be classified as "sexual misconduct". Not a rape. According to New York State it is just as bad as to have sex with an animal or dead human body (also sexual misconduct) than the scenario I illustrated. But that's a whole different story.

I will illustrate and crack open the law book.

S 130.20 Sexual misconduct.
A person is guilty of sexual misconduct when:
1. He or she engages in sexual intercourse with another person without
such person`s consent; or
2. He or she engages in oral sexual conduct or anal sexual conduct
with another person without such person's consent; or
3. He or she engages in sexual conduct with an animal or a dead human
body.
Sexual misconduct is a class A misdemeanor.

She is under 17 years old, so she cannot give consent. See highlighted section. This scenario applies (Actor 20 years old, victim 15 years old).

New York State has (3) degrees of rape (rape 1st, rape 2nd and rape 3rd).

In order for it to have been Rape in the 3rd degree, by New York State law, the little shitbag would have needed to be over 21 years of age. For Rape 2nd, the girl would have needed to be under 15 years old and the scumbag over the age of 18.

S 130.25 Rape in the third degree.
A person is guilty of rape in the third degree when:
1. He or she engages in sexual intercourse with another person who is
incapable of consent by reason of some factor other than being less than
seventeen years old;
2. Being twenty-one years old or more, he or she engages in sexual
intercourse with another person less than seventeen years old; or
3. He or she engages in sexual intercourse with another person without
such person`s consent where such lack of consent is by reason of some
factor other than incapacity to consent.
Rape in the third degree is a class E felony.

Our perp is 20 years old. Not quite old enough for rape 3rd.

S 130.30 Rape in the second degree.
A person is guilty of rape in the second degree when:
1. being eighteen years old or more, he or she engages in sexual
intercourse with another person less than fifteen years old; or
2. he or she engages in sexual intercourse with another person who is
incapable of consent by reason of being mentally disabled or mentally
incapacitated.
It shall be an affirmative defense to the crime of rape in the second
degree as defined in subdivision one of this section that the defendant
was less than four years older than the victim at the time of the act.
Rape in the second degree is a class D felony.

Our "victim" is 15 years old. Not quite young enough.




Minga... was all that besides the point. That post was just a couple of examples of how people put themselves in bad / terrible / life-threatening situtations on their accord. And how they aren't "just victims." Sometimes victims are to blame just as much as the wrongdoers. That was the only point I was trying to make. That Aldon Smith deserves blame for what happened. Is he the only one in the wrong? Certainly not. There were people at his party who did things even worse than what he did (much worse), but it shouldn't excuse him from shouldering any of the blame.

Originally Posted by phlysac

I counsel violent teenagers as my profession. I'm very aware of the many dynamics of violence and victimology. Victims awareness curriculum focuses on behaviors that increase the likelihood of victimization. Aldon Smith clearly exhibited behaviors that increase the likelihood of violent results. That was never my point.

I was responding your post that said something along the lines of, "What did Aldon Smith do besides be a victim?" I simply pointed out that he did a lot more than just be a victim at a pool party. I gave examples (which I wish I never did, because it shows just how much people can't / don't read). I gave a couple examples of how people do more than just be a victim (putting themselves directly in harms way, which Aldon did) and a third example of a legitimate victim. Some people are victims and some people have it (whatever that may be) coming.

[Borat]

Wow. LMFAO.

[vidae]

What the **** is this thread even about anymore?

[WCH]

Sexual misconduct laws and what it means to be a victim. Come on vidae, keep up.

[Bengals78]

Originally Posted by vidae

What the **** is this thread even about anymore?

[Bengals78]