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Old 07-16-2012, 04:07 PM    (permalink
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Paterno's conducting their own investigation is just kind of pathetic. Its not like anyone will trust their results over the findings of Freeh. And they look like real assholes after begging people to wait for the facts before reaching a judgement, then when they decided they didn't like the facts they decided to call them opinions and conduct their own investigation.

I really think they'd be better served with the "No one is perfect, Joe made mistakes but also did great things. Were sorry to the victims, their families, and the university." instead they throw a hissy fit and remain in denial.
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Paterno's conducting their own investigation is just kind of pathetic. Its not like anyone will trust their results over the findings of Freeh. And they look like real assholes after begging people to wait for the facts before reaching a judgement, then when they decided they didn't like the facts they decided to call them opinions and conduct their own investigation.

I really think they'd be better served with the "No one is perfect, Joe made mistakes but also did great things. Were sorry to the victims, their families, and the university." instead they throw a hissy fit and remain in denial.
They're trying to protect their money.
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They're trying to protect their money.
That's more cynical than my first thought that they really are in denial that the man they knew and loved kept something like this hidden, but it's much more likely that you're right.

Though, their own investigation isn't likely to be viewed more credible than someone like Freeh's. So they're probably just wasting more of their money.
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That's more cynical than my first thought that they really are in denial that the man they knew and loved kept something like this hidden, but it's much more likely that you're right.

Though, their own investigation isn't likely to be viewed more credible than someone like Freeh's. So they're probably just wasting more of their money.
I pretty much agree with you, but they are probably doing it so that when they inevitably go to court and are presented with the Freeh report against them, they can then counter with, "well, we have our own independent report..." Even though everyone will know what it is, in court it will probably look better than just saying, "Well, that report is wrong and you can do another investigation to turn up different results."

But having not followed the whole saga all that closely, has anyone in the Paterno family come out and said even anything close to what you suggested? Like, just admit mistakes were made, don't try to blame anyone else, and give your prayers and apologies to the victims and their families. Pretty sure that would go a long way...
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I havnt seen any statement from them with true remorse. They've all been denial based really.
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Three men have told investigators that Jerry Sandusky, the former Penn State defensive coordinator recently convicted of 45 counts of child sex abuse, molested them in the 1970s and 1980s, The Patriot-News of Harrisburg, Pa., has reported, citing sources close to the case.

None of Sandusky's 10 previously known victims had predated the 1990s, and in his report released Thursday, former FBI director Louis Freeh said his review for Penn State's board of trustees had not found evidence predating the '90s.

One of the three new accusers says he was abused in the early 1970s, the report says. Sandusky's defense had argued in his trial that a person doesn't become a pedophile in his or her 50s. Sandusky turned 68 in January.

The police are aware of the three new accusers, according to the report.

The Pennsylvania grand jury that brought the Sandusky indictment is still meeting and could potentially hear testimony from more potential victims, The Patriot-News report said.

But it is not known whether the attorney general's office would be open to filing more charges.

Freeh's team interviewed more than 430 people and reviewed more than 3 million documents.

The 267-page Freeh report concluded that former Penn State coach Joe Paterno -- along with former president Graham Spanier, athletic director Tim Curley and former vice president Gary Schultz -- conducted a cover-up of abuse allegations against Sandusky.

Sandusky faces a minimum of 60 years in prison and is awaiting sentencing, which could take months to complete.
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Most would agree people don't become pedophiles when they become 50. They have been their entire lives. I don't see how that's a defense, if anything, saying that weakened it. Which makes it more disturbing because there's probably a countless amount of unknown victims.

I doubt this hasn't already been said anyway, JMO.
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Did anyone here read the full report?
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Thought about it, got about a quarter of the way through and it got too repetitive and disgusting to continue. Not to mention it was way easier to get the highlights from his interview.
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Same here. Too sickening for me to read everything.
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I find it interesting that Freeh chose not to interview Paterno, Curley, Schultz or McQueary after people praise it for how thorough of an investigation this was. Doesn't make sense to interview 400 people and exclude the 4 most important ones.
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I don't want to waste my time with that crap. I'd rather trust journalists to do that stuff for me.
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Paterno was dead and the other guys besides McQueary are undergoing criminal trials. He didn't have subpoena power.
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McQueary says he "reached out" to the investigation, but they never made a move to interview him. I'm not sure why they wouldn't. That is weird, but McQ is already on record and testified about the proceedings in court. Everything that they needed to know would have been provided for during the trial and submitted testimony.
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My only guess is that the investigation was solely focused on the actions of leadership at Penn State as opposed to the entire program. McQueary's testimony/actions are important but I assume since he didn't have the power to make any moves in regards to Sandusky since he was a lowly grad assistant.

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I didn't read it. Only perused it. Like others, let others that are getting paid to read it do so and get back to me.

WRT interviewing those guys, you have GOT to be kidding me. Freeh had ZERO subpoena powers. And I guarantee you that every one of their lawyers said no way are we talking to Freeh so as to not have anything on record to trip up their clients.

Also, Paterno was dying or dead during the investigation, so that's ridiculous.

You can keep grasping at straws if you'd like. I'm not sure what you are grasping at or trying to prove.

These men were all dirty/evil people. A whole bunch of people were fed a lie and it's not fault of theirs that the lie was so elaborate and well executed that they believed it.

If I were a PSU guy, I wouldn't lump myself in with the people that still believe that JVP, Spanier, Curley, and Schultz weren't bad. It's silly and pointless.

The Feds are going to blow this thing up. They have subpoena powers. They will investigate PSU and they will investigate TSM, and a whole bunch of other things. The case is huge and high profile. There is no way this is over.

No football factory wants the Feds poking around in their business. Every FBS program has a bunch of dirty crap going on behind the scenes. Some minor, the big programs definitely have major unethical and likely illegal things going on (mostly tax evasion type stuff, which occurs with money funneling and slush funds).

For example, I can almost guarantee that the reason OSU got hammered so hard wasn't because of JT covering for his players. I think it was because of that slimy booster DiGeronimo that the NCAA discovered out of Cleveland. He took the fall, but a bunch of money goes through booster hands to players. Who knows what kind of slush funds OSU has? If the Feds had cause to investigate them, they'd likely find out.

It's a major reason why I want to see the sport professionalized. It would make the paying of players up front and legal. There wouldn't be this shady covering up stuff of a bunch of things, no need to do so. Sandusky wouldn't have been able to get away with raping kids since the 70's.
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I'm glad it appears from the comments today that Penn State will be getting some sort of very heavy sanction for this. Which makes me happy simply because it wont be forgotten in the coming months as the boosters want.
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They really need to just blow up that entire campus.
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I just can't understand that mentality. To defend the corrupt powerful people that would just as soon abuse you with prejudice if you stood in their way.
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That's just pretty pathetic that this is what that kid gets passionate about enough to stay overnight. It absolutely has to come down, both because it's the most hypocritical thing I've seen in awhile, and because it will serve as an embarrassment to the school every time someone sees it. Not to mention it is very likely to get vandalized.
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I'm trying to give some of these Penn Staters a break because the way everything happened but some of them are just ridiculous. They aren't even thinking.
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I don't think I have that kind of blind loyalty to anything. There no one I would still support if I found out they did this kind of stuff.
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I don't think I have that kind of blind loyalty to anything. There no one I would still support if I found out they did this kind of stuff.
Blind loyalty? What about blind hatred? People just blindly accept what ESPN (yes, the same ESPN that held onto evidence against Bernie Fine but didn't bother doing anything with it) and what all of the talking heads have to say about what happened, but don't even bother with any of the real evidence or facts. It's honestly hysterical to watch everyone bash PSU but they don't even know what really happened yet. That's right, no one does because all of the evidence and facts haven't come out yet. People just want blood because PSU/Paterno have created an atmosphere about doing things the right way and are known for it. The media has created a clusterf*** of misinformation to create juicy stories and it's really sad how far some of them have taken it. The worst part is, people just blindly believe everything these "jounalists" write, regardless of whether they actually know they are talking about or not.

It's funny how I get piled on simply because I don't believe there was a cover up. But at the same time, no one has taken the time to even read the report. I have read the report and Freeh doesn't give any evidence to support why he says there was a cover up. Not a single shred of it. He makes a lot of bold assumptions, and that's about it. I'm not the only one who can see the holes in the Freeh Report either:

http://www.johnziegler.com/editorial...?editorial=219

There are A LOT of assumptions made in this report. Take some time to read it, I encourage you to do so. If you can't see that the Freeh report is nothing more than an opinion, then you are truly a blind hater and simply want blood just to be like everyone else.

Isn't it ironic that this report puts so much focus on Paterno that the Board of Trustees goes nearly completely unnoticed? Isn't it funny how you can write anything you want about a dead man with no ramifications whatsoever? Isn't it funny how no one from Penn State has stood up to defend the beating that the University has taken? It's almost like they wanted it this way. The lack of leadership is just unbelievable.

Oh, and in case no one knows who Louis Freeh is, please take a second to read about some of his actions as director of the FBI. Absolutely horrifying.

http://lewrockwell.com/anderson/anderson344.html

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