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Old 07-20-2012, 12:43 PM    (permalink
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Well Scott Brown is now reporting that the reporter on twitter was wrong and no vote has been taken. More in line with previous quotes of the BOT hoping people would forget after a few months.

And it's not even worth commenting on the things said online by Penn State fans. There's so many examples that are beyond ridiculous that I don't think anyone smart enough to go to college could have ever wrote them.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-400_162-...st-penn-state/

Unprecedented penalties to come against PSU at 9 AM tomorrow. Rumor is no football for 2012 but I don't know how they can do they so close to the start of camp
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I'm thinking that
1) PSU agreed to these penalties in order for the NCAA to move so fast.
2) the penalties are going to be lame. Three years of no bowls and 40 scholarships over 3 years. Weak sauce type of stuff.
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And the statue is down according to CNN. Havnt found a video yet, but I'm glad Penn State made the right call on this one.

Anxious to see the penalties tomorrow morning. Just hoping they let the kids transfer with no penalty. They deserve a chance to play even if Penn State doesn't.
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And the statue is down according to CNN. Havnt found a video yet, but I'm glad Penn State made the right call on this one.

Anxious to see the penalties tomorrow morning. Just hoping they let the kids transfer with no penalty. They deserve a chance to play even if Penn State doesn't.
I think PSU took down the statue as a token of good faith to the NCAA.

I doubt there will be a transfer clause as the penalties won't be that harsh. Something a bit worse than what USC got.
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Well, looks like I'm probably wrong as usual.

From joe schad. Take with a huge grain of salt because the dude is FOS a lot of the time.

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We're about to see the worst death penalty ever.

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(CBS News) CBS News has learned that the NCAA will announce what a high-ranking association source called "unprecedented" penalties against both the Penn State University football team and the school.
"I've never seen anything like it," the source told correspondent Armen Keteyian.

NCAA President Mark Emmert will make the announcement Monday morning at 9 a.m. at the organization's headquarters in Indianapolis.
The penalties come in the wake of the independent report by former FBI Director Louis Freeh that chronicled repeated efforts by four top Penn State officials, including former football coach Joe Paterno, to conceal allegations of serial child sex abuse by Jerry Sandusky over a 14-year period.

The NCAA had been awaiting the school's response to four key questions pertaining to the sex abuse scandal, including issues involving institutional control and ethics.
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The way the statement called unprecedented, I doubt it's just bowl bans. Nothing unprecedented about that at all.
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Twitterverse seems to think there won't be a death penalty but that it will be scholarships lost and bowl bans and things of that nature that go far into the future.
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The cutting of 50%+ of scholarships would essentially kill the program even if it's not the "death penalty."
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The only thing I can think of that might be unprecedented is if these penalties stretch across the entire athletic program since the AD had a large part in it. I think that would be way too much though. Just keep these sanctions within the football program.

I could see them taking away A LOT of wins, maybe all 86 since 2001, shutting down the program for 2 years, allowing all players to transfer without penalty, and a huge fine.
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say most of these penalties regarding bowls & scholarships could be for at least three years.

My logic is that the players who played under Paterno, and thus were "recruited" (and I say that in loose terms considering...well...I think Coolidge was President the last time JoePa recruited) by him will graduate in three years. So, they are going to punish the team that is associated with him.
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Rumor right now is maybe a 10 year bowl ban.
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Rumor right now is maybe a 10 year bowl ban.
There is no way. Just wow if true. Program would be turned into Rutgers.

B1G would drop them if that was the case.
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That would be more detrimental to the program than shutting it down for the year. And probably sounds like a smaller punishment.

Taking away wins is the dumbest penalty ever. Does anyone really care at all if wins get taken away. I still sure as hell had fun watching the Sugar Bowl.
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That would be more detrimental to the program than shutting it down for the year. And probably sounds like a smaller punishment.

Taking away wins is the dumbest penalty ever. Does anyone really care at all if wins get taken away. I still sure as hell had fun watching the Sugar Bowl.
The only thing that taking wins away does is makes it so Paterno is no longer the winningest coach in history. For most teams taking away wins is nothing. For Penn State and Paterno, it has a little more weight.
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How about forcing them to change the team name, logo, and color scheme? Also, make their touchdowns only worth 5 points, they cannot use a Center, and no black players can be on the roster for 3 years.
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The problem with shutting down the program is that it would also punish the teams on PSU's schedule this season (especially the smaller schools that are counting on revenue from the PSU game). It would also slightly offset the new structure of the Big 10 without giving them enough time to recruit PSU's replacement.

If you take away 50% of their scholarships and ban them from bowl games for 5+ years, you've effectively killed the program.

As for vacating those wins, it would remove JoePa from the top of the list. Nobody is ever going to break that record, and the NCAA might not want him as the all-time wins leader.

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I expect at least a 10 year bowl ban if they avoid a death penalty. Personally, I was expecting a one year complete program shut down, followed by a 5 year bowl ban, loss of scholarships, and some kind of increased monitoring of the program.

Frankly, I think Penn State needs to not have a football team for a while.

I don't think having that team go out and play this year should be a heartwarming story of them playing through adversity. Its too soon, and they need to fire all previous coaches, janitors, ball boys, etc to start fresh.

And they absolutely need to vacate those wins. Paterno shouldn't remain on top.
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enn St sanctions - from CBS news leak

1) SUSPENSION OF FOOTBALL OPERATIONS FOR ONE YEAR

2) NO TELEVISION TIL 2015

3) BOWL BAN TIL 2015

4) NO FOOTBALL SCHOLARSHIPS FOR 2013

5) ALL CURRENT PLAYERS ON ROSTER ALLOWED TO TRANSFER WITH NO PENALTY

6) NCAA CLEARINGHOUSE TO EXPEDITE AND ADMINISTER ALL TRANSFERS

7) SPECIAL NCAA DISPENSATION THAT PENN ST FOOTBALL PLAYERS WHO TRANSFER, WILL NOT COUNT AGAINST SCHOLARSHIP LIMIT FOR GAINING SCHOOL

8) LOSS OF 8 SCHOLARSHIPS PER YEAR BEGINNING IN 2014 AND CONTINUING FOR 5 YEARS TO 2020.

9) BEGINNING IN 2014, OPTION TO DROP DOWN TO DIV 1AA WITH NO PENALTY, AND THE RIGHT TO RETURN TO DIV 1A AFTER 2020.

10) WINS AND RECORDS BACK TO 1998 WILL BE VACATED

11) TICKET REVENUE OFFSET PAYOUT TO BE GIVEN TO SCHEDULED OPPONENTS

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If those are real that is absolutely killer. That is the death penalty if anything is. Way more than I was expecting actually. Wow.
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After PSU I hope Emmert starts cleaning up the rest of college football. This PSU thing is such a cluster and I agree it needed to be taken care of but after that he needs to go after everything else wrong with college football.
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If that's actually their punishment, it'll exceed anything i could have possibly imagined for them. That's crazy.
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If that's actually their punishment, it'll exceed anything i could have possibly imagined for them. That's crazy.
Same here. I knew they would get hammered but that's smashing them into oblivion. It will take 20 years or more to recover from that.
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I expected huge sanctions, but this is above and beyond anything I imagined. They are going to suck for decades. I'm curious what the Big Ten does now?
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