Sandusky Trial

[Giantsfan1080]

- $60 million fine
- 4 year bowl ban
- reduction of scholarships (10 per year for 4 years)
- all wins vacated from 98-11
- 5 year probation period that they have to work with NCAA administrator
- players can transfer and play right away

They actually got off kind of easy.

[Smooth Criminal]

That will certainly hurt the program a lot, but I agree, comparing it to USCs situation, their crimes far outweigh what happened in Southern Cal and the penalty should have been much greater than what USC got, not just additional years.

[jrdrylie]

Really, there is nothing unprecendented about this. USC lost wins, lost 10-scholarships a year, and got a bowl ban. Maybe the fine is unprecendented, but other than that, this punishment is what is given to other teams, just a little more harsh.

[Giantsfan1080]

Yeah the unprecedentd stuff is really everything that doesn't hurt the program.

[Giantsfan1080]

The scholarships has everyone confused. Emmert didn't explain that very well.

[draftguru151]

4 years is pretty rough.

[Giantsfan1080]

According to the press release:

Penn State must also reduce 10 initial and 20 total scholarships each year for a four-year period

[jrdrylie]

Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

The scholarships has everyone confused. Emmert didn't explain that very well.

I thought he explained it just fine. Scholarships reduced from 25 to 15 for four years, thus 40 lost scholarships (10 per year).

Edit: Okay, yeah, he didn't even mention the 10 extra they need to reduce.

[jrdrylie]

So does the 20 total scholarships lost mean they can only have 65 total scholarship players each year?

[WCH]

Originally Posted by jrdrylie

So does the 20 total scholarships lost mean they can only have 65 total scholarship players each year?

Right now, that's what I think it means.

edit: I think Emmert just confirmed that. PSU is toast.

[Giantsfan1080]

Originally Posted by jrdrylie

So does the 20 total scholarships lost mean they can only have 65 total scholarship players each year?

Yeah that's just what he said.

[Basileus777]

NCAA has announced they're looking at waiving scholarship limits on schools accepting PSU transfers.

Open season. Wow.

[WCH]

According to Wikipedia, Paterno's new record is 298-247-3. I'm not sure if that's accurate or not.

If the vacated wins do go on his record as losses, future generations are going to look at that and see the losingest coach in NCAA history.

[Grizzlegom]

With all the wins vacated, Mike McQueary is now the last QB to have won a game in a Penn State uniform.

[WCH]

@Evan_Royster: "ah crap... so i lost every college football game i ever played in?"

[JoeJoeBrown]

Relative slap on the wrist. I thought it would be 40 ships and a bowl ban, just over 3 years, not 4.

Lame.

[iowatreat54]

Originally Posted by WCH

According to Wikipedia, Paterno's new record is 298-247-3. I'm not sure if that's accurate or not.

If the vacated wins do go on his record as losses, future generations are going to look at that and see the losingest coach in NCAA history.

I believe in the past, as with USC and others, the Ws get taken off but aren't added as Ls to the school or coach. Additionally, I don't think the losses on opponent's records resulting from those wins are taken off (I could be wrong). So, Iowa last year is still 7-6, not 7-5 by taking away the PSU loss.

And as others have said, this is probably going to hurt them a good deal, but nothing really unprecedented. I actually think it's a pretty reasonably punishment. It's hilarious to see the outrage over this, especially taking away Paterno's wins. A lot of people are sooooooo pissed about that.

[iowatreat54]

Originally Posted by WCH

@Evan_Royster: "ah crap... so i lost every college football game i ever played in?"

This is actually hilarious. Well done Evan.

By the way, how long before the Paterno clan comes out with their own, "non-biased" punishments based on their investigation?

[JoeJoeBrown]

Originally Posted by iowatreat54

I believe in the past, as with USC and others, the Ws get taken off but aren't added as Ls to the school or coach. Additionally, I don't think the losses on opponent's records resulting from those wins are taken off (I could be wrong). So, Iowa last year is still 7-6, not 7-5 by taking away the PSU loss.

And as others have said, this is probably going to hurt them a good deal, but nothing really unprecedented. I actually think it's a pretty reasonably punishment. It's hilarious to see the outrage over this, especially taking away Paterno's wins. A lot of people are sooooooo pissed about that.

A lot of people are ignorant fucktards that apparently would have been fine with JoePa letting his pet monster rape their children so that the program would succeed.

[WCH]

Originally Posted by iowatreat54

I believe in the past, as with USC and others, the Ws get taken off but aren't added as Ls to the school or coach. Additionally, I don't think the losses on opponent's records resulting from those wins are taken off (I could be wrong). So, Iowa last year is still 7-6, not 7-5 by taking away the PSU loss.

And as others have said, this is probably going to hurt them a good deal, but nothing really unprecedented. I actually think it's a pretty reasonably punishment. It's hilarious to see the outrage over this, especially taking away Paterno's wins. A lot of people are sooooooo pissed about that.

That's how I would expect it to work. Wikipedia has already been changed. They aren't very reliable for short-term information, lol.

Vacating the wins detracts from Paterno's legacy and, in some small way, "punishes the people who were there at the time." That's what people supposedly wanted.

The $60 Million fine averages out to about $1300 per student at Penn State. If it doesn't have to come directly out of the football program, then I'd bet anything that they pass the fine along to the students (probably over several years) in the form of tuition increases.

[Basileus777]

Football student-athletes who transfer will not have to sit out a year of competition. Any incoming or currently enrolled football student-athlete will be immediately eligible upon transfer or initial enrollment at an NCAA institution, provided they are admitted and otherwise eligible per NCAA regulations.
Penn State will release any incoming student-athletes from the National Letter of Intent.
Permission-to-contact rules will be suspended. Penn State cannot restrict in any way a student-athlete from pursuing a possible transfer. Student-athletes must simply inform Penn State of their interest in discussing transfer options with other schools. Interested schools also must inform Penn State of their intention to open discussions with the student-athlete.
Official and unofficial visit rules will be loosened. Any incoming or currently enrolled football student-athletes interested in taking an official or unofficial visit will be permitted to do so during the 2012-13 academic year, no matter how many visits they took during their recruitment. Institutions seeking to provide an official visit to a student who already visited the school as many times as NCAA legislation allows can seek relief from the NCAA on a case-by-case basis.

Additionally, the NCAA is considering waiving scholarship limits for programs to which these football student-athletes transfer, provided they reduce proportionately in the next year. For example, the limit is 25 new scholarships per year to a total of 85 scholarships. If the limits are waived in 2012-13 to accommodate one Penn State student-athlete who wishes to transfer to a particular school already at the limits, in 2013-14 the school will be limited to 24 new scholarships and 84 total scholarships.

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/...20723/21207234

[JRTPlaya21]

Big 10 penalty is PSU won't get any of the bowl revenue for the next 4 years. $13 million down the drain.

[JoeJoeBrown]

Originally Posted by JRTPlaya21

Big 10 penalty is PSU won't get any of the bowl revenue for the next 4 years. $13 million down the drain.

Also, an additional $13M fine. All of that money will go to charities.

[Nalej]

Please, no more tuition hikes. I have a year left and am barely paying off the tuition.

[Forenci]

Originally Posted by Nalej

Please, no more tuition hikes. I have a year left and am barely paying off the tuition.

If there was tuition hike over something that stems from the athletic department I would be completely outraged.