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[slightlyaraiderfan]

cmon hines what are the ******* details

[Hines]

Originally Posted by slightlyaraiderfan

cmon hines what are the ******* details

Hahahahaha, I don't know.

I'd probably guess Dubinsky, Del Zotto, and a first. Just a guess, though.

[Hines]

Dubinsky, Erixson, and a first so far going to Columbus.


Edit: Anisimov is in the deal as well.

[Hines]

Not going to lie, that is a very average deal for Nash IMO. He held out for that?

[slightlyaraiderfan]

good bye howson

[A Perfect Score]

I'm shocked that Nash didn't cost more. After rumors that Columbus shot down a monster deal from Detroit to keep him out of the division, did they recoup enough?

[Xiomera]

I guarantee Detroit offered more than that. Reports were that Columbus didn't even reply to Ken Holland. They just ignored him.

[Bengals78]

This is why I didn't choose to follow Columbus when I got into hockey a few years ago. Even I could see they were run like ****.

[Hines]

I just don't understand why Howson took less than what was originally offered.

[Xiomera]

How long until Jack Johnson and Brandon Dubinsky are on the trade block? Lolz

[Bengals78]

Originally Posted by Xiomera

How long until Jack Johnson and Brandon Dubinsky are on the trade block? Lolz

Johnson for Filp and Kindl....

[SuperMcGee]

Sucks that they couldn't even get Stepan. Not bad for the Rangers. Dubinsky had a bad year but is still a nice piece, but ideally on a good team. Altogether, not a very exciting package. They have almost no forwards to build around.

Johansen, Umberger, Anisimov, Dubinsky, Brassard, Prospal, Atkinson, Letestu, Foligno, Dorsett? Cool story. I'd like to see Dubinsky and Atkinson together.

[OSUGiants17]

Total steal, our biggest loss was Erixson and there is a chance he wouldn't even play for us at the start of the year. Losing Dubi is no big deal, he is average at best, Anisimov is solid and can grow but Nash is a much better replacement, Erixson would be a 3rd line Dman for us at best this year, but I am fine with just Stralman and Bickel as our 3rd D-line.

[Job Reborn]

I'm one of the rare who believe Nash to be quite overrated, but even I will say it's a damn good deal for the Rangers. I hope they create a super-skilled line with him, Gaborik and either Stepan or Richards.

[Cudders]

Tough deal to stomach from a Columbus perspective.

I knew Howson wasn’t going to get the exorbitant package that he was demanding, but his game plan at each step of this process has backfired. When Kreider, Stepan, McDonagh, and Del Zotto weren’t made available at the deadline, he stuck to his guns and insisted that the price was going to be steep because he wasn’t required to trade Nash. Well, in the past five months, the Jackets’ desperation level has gone up and the Rangers have been stubborn about including their blue-chippers, so Howson caved and came down from his ledge.

The timing just doesn’t make sense to me though. What is the reason, after holding out for months, for trading Nash right now? I understand it from New York’s perspective, as a counter to Philadelphia offering Weber, but I don’t from Columbus. Their last hope for receiving the blockbuster package that management wanted was luring a desperate team to the table. Doan and Semin are free agents. Ryan is still being dangled on the trade block. There were other viable options out there, so teams didn’t have to commit to putting together their best possible offers. If the Flyers add Weber and the Penguins sign Doan and another contender lands Ryan, for example, the Rangers find themselves in a tougher position to negotiate all of the sudden. Granted, I’m not suggesting that Howson would have gotten a better return if he waited. I’m just questioning his decision-making process. If the end game from the start was to wait it out and then leverage the remaining teams (or their situations) against each other for a maximized return, what is the exact reason for abandoning it now?

As for the deal itself, while I don’t think it is great value for Nash, I don’t hate the two individual pieces either. Doobie is a hard-working grinder and a great locker room presence. With such an impressionable club, I hope he assumes a leadership role and the kids emulate some of his qualities. It isn’t the most talented group around, but I feel confident that Prospal, Umberger, Aucoin, and now Doobie can be capable, respectable models for the pipeline. Anisimov intrigues me. The Jackets need bodies down the middle bad and I’ve seen some signs of promise from him. I don’t think he’s special, but he’s an NHL centerman with some raw talent and, at this point, that’s something for Columbus. I would be surprised if Erixon ever wear a Blue Jacket sweater. He pouted himself out of the Flames organization, was dealt to his dream franchise, and now has been flipped to…Columbus. Yeah, he’s going to be bitter. Wouldn’t surprise me one bit to see him announce his return to the SEL in the coming weeks. And the first-rounder will be a late one, but all of the picks help in the rebuild. Like I said, not thrilled about it, but it is what it is. I would like to know what Detroit offered now. Division rival or not, if their package was a clear upgrade over Doobie and Anisimov, I would’ve at least considered making that deal. Howson wanted no part of it though.

I wish Nash the best of luck. Sucks to see the lone homegrown star leave, but I’m glad he’s got a chance to compete for the Cup. I expect Tortorella to make him a two-way monster. During Hitchcock’s tenure with Columbus, Nash was becoming a disciplined defensive player and a dependable penalty killer. If Tortorella can tap back into that, the Rangers have themselves an excellent cornerstone. Because with consistent, quality service in New York, I think he could re-establish himself as a premier scoring threat.

Will also be interested to see how Columbus welcomes him back for All-Star Weekend if he makes the team.

[Wootylicous]

I mean Dubinsky is a 60 point player, Anisimov can go for 50, Erixon is gonna be good and a late first round pick for Nash is good value. Nash never had more than 80 points and will never go over 90.

[Wootylicous]

Also Nash is definitly overrated.

[SuperMcGee]

He is, yes. Erixon is the biggest question mark in the deal, for me. A lot hinges on what he does/wants to do. Dubinsky can get to 60 if forced into a top-line role, but so can a lot of players. He has a well-rounded game and is a valuable piece, still. Him and Anisimov kind of muddle into a mass of players who shouldn't be on a top line, creating a generally uninspiring group of forwards in Columbus. Kind of like Florida last year, but without the coaching/goaltending/prospect pool.

[slightlyaraiderfan]

Pregs matched the Weber offer per Dregs

[Hines]

Thank god that the Preds did.

[SuperMcGee]

Score one for decency.

[Job Reborn]

Shane Doan is apparently visiting Montreal. Sadly, I think there are next to no chance he signs here and is just coming to **** around with us, giving us some false hope.

[SuperMcGee]

Sometimes I get sad that Jon Blum is not amazing. Nashville still has potentially very good pieces on defense, though. Obviously.

[djp]

Let's quell the Nash is overrated talk until we see him play with another top line player for the first time in his career.. you kinda sorta need the puck passed to you if you are going to score 50+

Not saying he will score 50+, but he definitely has the talent to do so and now will have a much better team around him.

[themaninblack]

Yea Nash is probably my favorite player and I'm sad to see him go but it was probably for the best. Sure we could've/should've probably gotten more in return but its not a bad haul at all IMO. I think he will do big things for NYR and I wish him all the best going forward.