New York Giants Discussion

[bigbluedefense]

Sinorice Moss did the same. Considering Jernigan is his twin, I'm still skeptical.

[Forenci]

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

Sinorice Moss did the same. Considering Jernigan is his twin, I'm still skeptical.

Meh, I don't know if that's a fair comparison. This is only JJ's second season and you gave up on him as a rookie. I don't think that's fair at all.

[bigbluedefense]

I know I'm being unfair. But I just don't like his game. He's a shrimp. A shrimp that can't go over the middle, and in our offense, if you're gonna be a small WR, you are best suited in the slot, and the slot in our offense goes over the middle a lot.

I just don't see a place for him in our offense.

[Rosebud]

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

Trattou in a walking boot.

Also, Reese said Bennett was brought in to be a blocking te to help the run game. I figured as much. He said any catches he brings to the table is an added bonus. That was how I looked at that signing as well. Hopefully it works out. I'm still skeptical.

Herzlich is supposedly looking very good out there. Cross your fingers on that one. If this defense can stay healthy and if Herz can become college Herz again, we'll have no weakness on paper. Which is I scary thought.

"Challenge, accepted."

[bigbluedefense]

Crap. I forgot. Perry Fewell will try his hardest to rush 3 and drop everyone in a complex zone that can change from Cover 2 to Cover 3 to Cover 4 to maybe Cover 1 depending on the formation, motions, and route combinations.

It's like Tim Lewis all over again with the unnecessary complexity in his zones.

I just hope he smartened up and learned his lesson from last year.

[Rosebud]

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

Crap. I forgot. Perry Fewell will try his hardest to rush 3 and drop everyone in a complex zone that can change from Cover 2 to Cover 3 to Cover 4 to maybe Cover 1 depending on the formation, motions, and route combinations.

It's like Tim Lewis all over again with the unnecessary complexity in his zones.

I just hope he smartened up and learned his lesson from last year.

Does this look like the face of a man who learns his lessons?

[OSUGiants17]

Originally Posted by Rosebud

Does this look like the face of a man who learns his lessons?

I just spit out my water. I really hope that he has learned and won't rush any less than 4 this year. This team is made to have press-man coverage, rushing 4, with Phillips covering deep third.

[BigBlueNorwegian]

Everyone knows what will happen. Fewell probably thinks that the only reason his defense didn't work last year was because of the injuriezz. So expect the old rush three, cover 4 defense to start the season.

[bigbluedefense]

It's obviously way early, but so far the battle for the 3rd WR spot on our team seems to be btw Jernigan and Randle. They are making the most plays right now.

This is a big camp for Barden. He has to show that he not only can play WR, but play it very well and compete for that 3rd WR spot while also proving he can stay healthy.

There is absolutely no point of retaining this guy if he can't step up and play consistent ball at WR and stay healthy, considering he can't play special teams at all.

Part of me thinks we're gonna regret not re-signing Devin Thomas as a special team specialist. He might have been worth the money. He could have been our 5th WR and our special teams ace.

Now we need someone to step up in his absence on special teams.

[bigbluedefense]

It also sounds like even our 2nd and 3rd team players are making a ton of plays too. Some guys I assumed would be easy cuts may not be so easy after all.

I hope I'm not falling for training camp hype, but it really sounds like we're a very deep team right now and we're gonna cut some talented players bc we just have no room for them.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

Crap. I forgot. Perry Fewell will try his hardest to rush 3 and drop everyone in a complex zone that can change from Cover 2 to Cover 3 to Cover 4 to maybe Cover 1 depending on the formation, motions, and route combinations.

It's like Tim Lewis all over again with the unnecessary complexity in his zones.

I just hope he smartened up and learned his lesson from last year.

Stop! Stop! You're making me sad! JJ is fine, but I take a wait and see approach, but no making me sad over PF. Please for once can we get a DC who is not a mess during the season. Is that too much to ask?

Can we not leave someone uncovered?

[Rosebud]

I think Coughlin might be too supportive of his DC. In Buffalo the roster fit Fewell's style of play better, but he was also a lot more adaptive. For us he's seemed to focus a lot more on getting more intensive and complex despite having players that fit what he wants to accomplish even less.

[Giantsfan1080]

We have the best depth in the NFL by far.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

I hope for once Fewell can have a great regular season. That side of the ball needs to be consistent for once.

[bigbluedefense]

It really just comes down to his willingness to simplify the defense. In his first season our defense was relatively successful under him, and it was because he kept his zones simple. If the call was Tampa 2, the play stayed as Tampa 2 regardless of what the offense was doing before and during the play.

This past year he tried introducing more complexity, where the call can be Tampa 2, but then after the offense lined up it can change to Cover 3, and then after a motion that Cover 3 can change to a Cover 1, then after the snap depending on the route trees can change to a Cover 4.

So all that complexity led to a lot of miscommunication and blown coverages.

In the playoffs and during our run in the regular season, after Grant and other DBs pleaded with him to simplify the defense, we made a run, and during that time he scrapped all the adjustments and let the defense dictate the play to the offense instead of constantly reacting to what the offense did.

Which is much more effective. Every coverage is designed to work as long as your players communicate and play fast. Believe in the play and let your players make a play. If he can just stay with a simplified approach and let our athletes play like athletes out there, we'll be fine.

If he's stubborn and wants to install his complexity with a full training camp...we're screwed. It doesn't work. Players are dumb. You can't have a complex defense that makes them think too much. When you're thinking you're not playing fast, and when you're not playing fast you get beat.

[Giantsfan1080]

I told you about Herz when we did that players on the team 5 years from now. I expect good things.

[bigbluedefense]

It's just hard for me to comprehend. How does a guy who gets a cancer that's so difficult to beat that most people who get it pass away within a year, not only beat that cancer, but then get into the NFL?!

And not only that, but he has a freakin metal rod in his leg, how on earth can a guy with a metal rod in his leg possibly regain his athleticism and beast it in the NFL, which has the top 1% of the athletes in this country?

How is that possible?

I just can't wrap my head around that.

[Giantsfan1080]

Well you get better from the chemo as time passes. Are you sure about the metal rod?

[bigbluedefense]

Pretty sure. I heard it on NFL network during the draft process.

[Giantsfan1080]

I have looked it up and yes he does have a rod in his leg. Pretty amazing indeed even though I'm not sure if that has any impact on athletic ability.

[Rosebud]

A metal rod in his leg isn't nearly as drastic as the muscle he lost from the cancer and subsequent therapy.

[bigbluedefense]

I actually liked pre-cancer Herzlich more than my boy Luke. And we all know how much I loved Keuchly this past year. If we can get that Herzlich I would be thrilled.

[Giantsfan1080]

We are going to get that Herzlich! Chase will be with the 2nd team me thinks.

[Giantsfan1080]

Hosley carted off today.

[bigbluedefense]

....it has begun.