Penn State Sanctions

[andyjo672]

Originally Posted by Santonio10

So where in the Freeh Report is the proof that the decision they made had anything to do with the image of the football program?

If it wasn't why loop Joe Paterno into meetings for it at all?

[njx9]

Originally Posted by Santonio10

Doesn't mean the NCAA had any right to do this.

and you prove, yet again, that you don't actually understand what you're talking about.

[Borat]

njx with a sig? I haz a confused.

[Philliez01]

Reasonable doubt doesn't equate to any reason to doubt.

[Giantsfan1080]

Also you still haven't answered my question as to why Paterno lied to the Grand Jury about the 98 incident?

[iowatreat54]

Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

Also you still haven't answered my question as to why Paterno lied to the Grand Jury about the 98 incident?

Probably something along the lines of he reported it to his bosses, so his responsibility in the matter was completely absolved. Or he didn't have any proof of anything, just hearsay. Or he's just the football coach, and had no power to get anything done at PSU. Probably a combination of all those, maybe more excuses about how little Paterno knew or had no power at the university.

[Giantsfan1080]

Well in the Freeh Report it states that in Paterno's Grand Jury testimony he said that he never knew of any incidents that took place between Sandusky and little children. He knew about the 98 incident and lied to the Grand Jury during the 01 questioning.

[njx9]

Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

Well in the Freeh Report it states that in Paterno's Grand Jury testimony he said that he never knew of any incidents that took place between Sandusky and little children. He knew about the 98 incident and lied to the Grand Jury during the 01 questioning.

but what could he do? he was just the football coach. i mean, it's not like athletics wielded a huge amount of influence at the university. wait. um. it's not like joe paterno was/is regarded as the second coming in state college, who would've listened to him? oh. wait. um. whatever, the ncaa should stop forcing penn state to quarter troops unlawfully. wrong amendment? um. well clearly the NCAA is acting as a government agent anyways, so they should stop throwing penn state into prison without due process! er. um. free speech? either way, it's clear the ncaa was just out to get the poor innocent students of penn state, who will be forced to stay in state college for the rest of their natural lives, as the NCAA has forced the US government to essentially turn it into a penal colony. wait, that's objectively false, too? um. well they're certainly not letting the athletes play again, right? they are? well ****. maybe if i simply don't read anything anyone is saying, i can repeat the above talking points on a rotating basis in the hope that i can outlast everyone who disagrees with me then assume that i 'won' and that penn state was really the wronged party here, and if those damn kids had just kept their mouths shut, we could all just get on with being a mediocre big ten team and poor joe pa's statue would still be standing.

[Giantsfan1080]

Best NJX post ever!!! I would put that in my sig but it's too long.

[JoeJoeBrown]

Santonio, how many did you order?

[njx9]

i like that they added 'communist' as if that's even remotely the correct political ideology here. heck of an education the creators/buyers must have gotten.

[Santonio10]

Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

Well in the Freeh Report it states that in Paterno's Grand Jury testimony he said that he never knew of any incidents that took place between Sandusky and little children. He knew about the 98 incident and lied to the Grand Jury during the 01 questioning.

What is the evidence that he knew about '98? Whether he knew anything or not, '98 was fully investigated and DA Gricar closed the case. Sandusky was exonerated of any sexual behavior according to the report done by John Seasock.

[Smooth Criminal]

Even of Paterno didn't know in 98, does that change anything? Cause it obviously doesn't to a sane person. By his own admission he knew in 2001, so it really doesn't make any difference to me when between 1998 or 2001 he knew. Either way he was wrong.

And communist has just become a bad word in America. No one really remembers what it actually means but if I call you one it's bad.

[Giantsfan1080]

He did know in 98. There's testimony that they told him about the incident.

[BRAVEHEART]

This is getting sad.

[JoeJoeBrown]

I can't believe that t shirt I posted above. I've been harping on it, but there is a disgustingly huge percentage of PSU fans that are sick, twisted cultists.

It's why I believe the whole football program should have been banned from the NCAA for two years. There is a whole bunch of reprogramming that a large amount of people need to go through. These people are sick and it utterly disgusts me.

This repulsion has nothing to do with football or rivalries or whatever. It has to do with wiping out as many seeds of corruption as possible. There is no introspection in this large group of cultists, just reflexive defensive posturing as a bunch of brainwashed psychos reject reality.

[Smooth Criminal]

I just don't understand why. There's not anyone in the world I would support with just the things Joe admitted to have done, let alone a football coach. And I have plenty of smart normal otherwise same friends than are acting, a little less childish, but pretty much like Santonio. They want the statue back, think Paterno is being mistreated, and are the most upset about losing Paternos wins.

I liked Joe, but you let kids get molested? Get the **** out.

[wogitalia]

Originally Posted by JoeJoeBrown

I can't believe that t shirt I posted above. I've been harping on it, but there is a disgustingly huge percentage of PSU fans that are sick, twisted cultists.

It's why I believe the whole football program should have been banned from the NCAA for two years. There is a whole bunch of reprogramming that a large amount of people need to go through. These people are sick and it utterly disgusts me.

This repulsion has nothing to do with football or rivalries or whatever. It has to do with wiping out as many seeds of corruption as possible. There is no introspection in this large group of cultists, just reflexive defensive posturing as a bunch of brainwashed psychos reject reality.

Don't act like any other big football program and the school attached to it would act any differently if they got punished like this for something that the vast majority had nothing to do with and absolutely no control over. Any time you punish 100% of the population for something that .0001% of the population did you will get people being outraged and the more moronic of them will go to extreme lengths. (see Auburn tree poisoning for a similar thing). That's basically what it comes down to. A dozen people did something wrong and a few hundred thousand are being punished for it.

What happened was disgraceful, no one is arguing that (I hope) but does punishing everyone really fit in this situation? Again, people like njx might think that transferring means nothing but to a great many people it is a huge deal, some people can't move due to family or financial reasons, not everyone can or is happy to live a nomadic lifestyle or uproot their entire existence.

I think some form of punishment was needed but such wide reaching punishment just spreads the punishment to everyone who didn't have anything to do with it and really lessens the impact it has on those that actually did do something wrong.

To be honest I couldn't really care less other than it feels wrong to me, I don't have any affiliation at all with PSU and couldn't care less if they are a football power or not, I just think that this particular punishment is using a nuke when a few well placed bullets were all that was needed.

[njx9]

Originally Posted by wogitalia

Don't act like any other big football program and the school attached to it would act any differently if they got punished like this for something that the vast majority had nothing to do with and absolutely no control over. Any time you punish 100% of the population for something that .0001% of the population did you will get people being outraged and the more moronic of them will go to extreme lengths. (see Auburn tree poisoning for a similar thing). That's basically what it comes down to. A dozen people did something wrong and a few hundred thousand are being punished for it.

What happened was disgraceful, no one is arguing that (I hope) but does punishing everyone really fit in this situation? Again, people like njx might think that transferring means nothing but to a great many people it is a huge deal, some people can't move due to family or financial reasons, not everyone can or is happy to live a nomadic lifestyle or uproot their entire existence.

transferring is NOT a big deal, and it's LESS of a big deal for a scholarshipped athlete. period. further, if you don't want to uproot, you're not being forced to. you just don't get to root for a bunch of dudes who supported child molestation. boo-*******-hoo. or you don't get to play for a scumbag and represent him in bowl games. you're STILL not being punished.

it's like telling your kid, 'johnny, i didn't say you needed to sit in the corner, you can go play outside with your friends.' only to hear, 'and have to uproot myself?! stop punishing me!'

it's ******* pathetic and it speaks not only to how poorly y'alls generation copes with not getting every single thing you want, but how incapable you are at articulating why you think you deserve it. it sucks that transferring may mean you have to make some new friends. it sucks that it's sort of like finding a job in the real world. it sucks that we can't just shut our eyes and pretend that joe paterno was actually a saint, just so penn state students can continue to root for their football team. it sucks that football players aren't losing a year of eligibility of they want to go play someplace else for free on whatever scholarships they're offered. it sucks that the football program wasn't even closed down and those players can continue to bloody play at penn state if they so choose and those poor, oppressed students can continue to root for them. it sucks that every single other football program in the country is probably also harboring hundreds of child rapists and the ncaa just really must hate penn state to go so out of its way to tarnish paterno.

honestly, at this point, i wish they had punished the school and the students. i wish they'd taken away penn state's accreditation, and banned it's sports teams from playing in any NCAA competition. at least then there might be some slight bit of truth in all the bitching y'all are doing.

[JoeJoeBrown]

Originally Posted by njx9

transferring is NOT a big deal, and it's LESS of a big deal for a scholarshipped athlete. period. further, if you don't want to uproot, you're not being forced to. you just don't get to root for a bunch of dudes who supported child molestation. boo-*******-hoo. or you don't get to play for a scumbag and represent him in bowl games. you're STILL not being punished.

it's like telling your kid, 'johnny, i didn't say you needed to sit in the corner, you can go play outside with your friends.' only to hear, 'and have to uproot myself?! stop punishing me!'

it's ******* pathetic and it speaks not only to how poorly y'alls generation copes with not getting every single thing you want, but how incapable you are at articulating why you think you deserve it. it sucks that transferring may mean you have to make some new friends. it sucks that it's sort of like finding a job in the real world. it sucks that we can't just shut our eyes and pretend that joe paterno was actually a saint, just so penn state students can continue to root for their football team. it sucks that football players aren't losing a year of eligibility of they want to go play someplace else for free on whatever scholarships they're offered. it sucks that the football program wasn't even closed down and those players can continue to bloody play at penn state if they so choose and those poor, oppressed students can continue to root for them. it sucks that every single other football program in the country is probably also harboring hundreds of child rapists and the ncaa just really must hate penn state to go so out of its way to tarnish paterno.

honestly, at this point, i wish they had punished the school and the students. i wish they'd taken away penn state's accreditation, and banned it's sports teams from playing in any NCAA competition. at least then there might be some slight bit of truth in all the bitching y'all are doing.

+1,000,000,000^1,000,000,000

[iowatreat54]

Originally Posted by wogitalia

That's basically what it comes down to. A dozen people did something wrong and a few hundred thousand are being punished for it.

Wait, waaaaait....

Could you explain how "a few hundred thousand" are being punished? I hope you are just exagerrating, and only mean a few hundred, but surely you are not including PSU fans and alumni as being "punished" because they will have a crappy football team...

I can buy that the current players are being punished to an extent, and then even the other programs that rely on PSU football revenue, but even that isn't unprecedented.

[Grizzlegom]

Yea I don't really see how alumni and fans are being punished. With the payment being spread over a few years, they will still make profit each year and continue to be able to fund the other sports. I don't think they'll increase tuition to help pay the NCAA. A postseason ban, is that really that big of a deal? That really hurt USC, and Ohio State didn't it. So there will be an inferior team on the field for 4-10 years thanks to the lost scholarships? Welcome to the early 2000s. I'm sure Iowa fans remember the infamous 6-4 game.

I had to deal with some douchebags at the mall that one day but I haven't stopped wearing my PSU gear and nobody has said anything to me outside of that one day right after the Freeh report came out. Maybe its just me but I really don't feel like I'm being punished in any way by all this.

[Giantsfan1080]

Originally Posted by Grizzlegom

Yea I don't really see how alumni and fans are being punished. With the payment being spread over a few years, they will still make profit each year and continue to be able to fund the other sports. I don't think they'll increase tuition to help pay the NCAA. A postseason ban, is that really that big of a deal? That really hurt USC, and Ohio State didn't it. So there will be an inferior team on the field for 4-10 years thanks to the lost scholarships? Welcome to the early 2000s. I'm sure Iowa fans remember the infamous 6-4 game.

I had to deal with some douchebags at the mall that one day but I haven't stopped wearing my PSU gear and nobody has said anything to me outside of that one day right after the Freeh report came out. Maybe its just me but I really don't feel like I'm being punished in any way by all this.

Well that's because you're obviously a reasonable human being.

[iowatreat54]

Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

Well that's because you're obviously a reasonable human being.

Agreed. Also, the 6-4 game was amazing and I hope we have an equally great game this year.

I do think it sucks for the PSU students, alumni, and fans, but don't think they are being punished at all. I hope they don't try to raise tuition because that would be messed up. I can see raising ticket prices and other prices associated with athletics, but even that would probably piss off some people.

[Grizzlegom]

Originally Posted by iowatreat54

Agreed. Also, the 6-4 game was amazing and I hope we have an equally great game this year.

As heartbreaking as many of the Iowa games have been since 2000, they do tend to be great games. Between the 6-4 game and those two games in 2008 and 2009, even though they are losses, they are a few of the more memorable games we've had.