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Old 08-03-2012, 12:56 AM    (permalink
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Actually, Gonzo and I jerk each other off and reveal our roles to each other. Often times this is done via Skype with the Aussies while they do the same.
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Old 08-03-2012, 12:57 AM    (permalink
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Actually, Gonzo and I jerk each other off and reveal our roles to each other. Often times this is done via Skype with the Aussies while they do the same.
**** man don't tell them about our role revealing skype orgies with Snicho and Caddy. That **** is private.

On that not, care to join us next time Grizz and lady Grizz?
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Old 08-03-2012, 12:58 AM    (permalink
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Actually, Gonzo and I jerk each other off and reveal our roles to each other. Often times this is done via Skype with the Aussies while they do the same.
Can I get down on this Skype? I won't role reveal. I just want to watch.

In my OC game I randomized all roles except snicho. He ended up a townie but I made him one of the core four because he is also a big O.C. fan.
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It's all the adrenaline you got from being a ******* **** ass prick.
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**** man don't tell them about our role revealing skype orgies with Snicho and Caddy. That **** is private.

On that not, care to join us next time Grizz and lady Grizz?
I am so mad at Bulldogs right now.
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Yea, for all we know BB really did use random this game, I haven't asked him TBH. If she keeps playing and gaining more experience, I'm sure mods in the future will feel less inclined to put us together if we're both playing. I would like the opportunity to kill her sometime (although placing the hammer vote really pissed her off despite the circumstances)
If randomization actually led to the alignment, that's fine. If not, then it isn't IMO.

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The roles not being randomized explains why I always get ****** roles.
And why guys like Shane always get power roles. Which makes the whole 'Kill Shane' strategy make a lot more sense.

I can say, even though you were just a townie, you were randomly a townie in my game(I think SP and Snicho being mafia, IBC and Shane being townies may provide some proof of this).

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If the roles aren't being randomised, that is ******** and unfair to some people. I really don't care to play in games that aren't random and now that I know they aren't random, I'm a lot less likely to play.
I guess I understand the reasoning for non-random, wanting to script the game to play out nicely, but then like you have said, anyone who doesn't fit into the particular mod's plans can get ****** for no fair reason. Scripting a game may make it play nice on occasion, but ultimately it isn't fair, and ultimately the game should be allowed to play out fairly and naturally. The mod should supervise, not direct.

For what its worth, my game was legitimately randomized and I believe SP said his was as well, which I would believe. Not really sure after that, however.
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Old 08-03-2012, 12:59 AM    (permalink
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Can I get down on this Skype? I won't role reveal. I just want to watch.

In my OC game I randomized all roles except snicho. He ended up a townie but I made him one of the core four because he is also a big O.C. fan.
I was so happy I ended up with my boy Seth. I then had the whole ******* town not believe me! Dicks.
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I was so happy I ended up with my boy Seth. I then had the whole ******* town not believe me! Dicks.
I was so happy too. I knew you would play that role in a very entertaining manner and I couldn't believe it when it turned out you got it.
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I was so happy too. I knew you would play that role in a very entertaining manner and I couldn't believe it when it turned out you got it.
I thought me getting Jack The Ripper this time was also very fitting since I enjoy preying on women
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Well, I'd like to apologize to the other mods for opening up pandora's box here with the not truly random thing. I've even mentioned it in the past but I guess people didn't take notice. FWIW, I plan on truly randomizing my games from here on out because I have come to learn what most of you are saying. I am still learning a lot about mafia given that HP was my first game and the more I learn, the more I respect certain aspects. I also warn you that there likely won't be 24-hour caps on my days in future games either.
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Well, I'd like to apologize to the other mods for opening up pandora's box here with the not truly random thing. I've even mentioned it in the past but I guess people didn't take notice. FWIW, I plan on truly randomizing my games from here on out because I have come to learn what most of you are saying. I am still learning a lot about mafia given that HP was my first game and the more I learn, the more I respect certain aspects. I also warn you that there likely won't be 24-hour caps on my days in future games either.
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Well, I'd like to apologize to the other mods for opening up pandora's box here with the not truly random thing. I've even mentioned it in the past but I guess people didn't take notice. FWIW, I plan on truly randomizing my games from here on out because I have come to learn what most of you are saying. I am still learning a lot about mafia given that HP was my first game and the more I learn, the more I respect certain aspects. I also warn you that there likely won't be 24-hour caps on my days in future games either.
I remember you said in the King game (which I didn't even play in) you pretty much handpick the roles. But what do you mean about the 24-hour caps? Will it be shorter or just no caps at all because that could lead to some terribly long Day Ones.
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SK is the ******* best role I have played btw. I don't have to give a **** about the town and the sheeple ******* tards in it and I don't have to hear the mafia ***** and moan about things. I just did my own ****, got to kill *************, and generally just got to be a badass. I look forward to the next time I am SK.
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SK is the ******* best role I have played btw. I don't have to give a **** about the town and the sheeple ******* tards in it and I don't have to hear the mafia ***** and moan about things. I just did my own ****, got to kill *************, and generally just got to be a badass. I look forward to the next time I am SK.
Perhaps you should be the one person who won't be randomized, forever disbarred from being a SK.
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SK is the ******* best role I have played btw. I don't have to give a **** about the town and the sheeple ******* tards in it and I don't have to hear the mafia ***** and moan about things. I just did my own ****, got to kill *************, and generally just got to be a badass. I look forward to the next time I am SK.
I've never been the SK :(
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SK is the ******* best role I have played btw. I don't have to give a **** about the town and the sheeple ******* tards in it and I don't have to hear the mafia ***** and moan about things. I just did my own ****, got to kill *************, and generally just got to be a badass. I look forward to the next time I am SK.
I swear I get suspected of being the SK in most games. It's never going to actually happen.
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O RLY??????
Ya rly. It really shouldn't be the mods job to step in and make a decision for the town. That, and people need to learn to stop relying so hard on information and follow their gut more and learn how to sell their argument to other people. If the games keep getting flooded with roles and people rely on information, people will never learn how to truly scum hunt and therefore people will never get any better. Maybe its corny but I want people to start having to make decisions, even when there is no information, and learn how to brush it off when they make a mistake.

I know everyone likes to make fun of how Gonzo plays but he has a short memory and he typically is a good scum hunter when he is town. I'm not saying people need to go full Gonzo but there are aspects to his game that people could learn from. Less investigative roles and less mod intervention will help with that.
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Old 08-03-2012, 01:12 AM    (permalink
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Perhaps you should be the one person who won't be randomized, forever disbarred from being a SK.
Damn you Cigaro. Don't do me dirty like that! I really do enjoy not having to play on the same side as any of you assholes. Lone wolf bitches!
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Old 08-03-2012, 01:14 AM    (permalink
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I swear I get suspected of being the SK in most games. It's never going to actually happen.
Being the sole person trying to destroy my Mouzone reign is enough.
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I don't know what is going on. But non-randomization is pretty obvious in certain cases.
I always assumed for the most part it was random. I can't really accept any rationale for it not being random. If you are modding and are upset a particularly player gets a particularly role, either deal with it or boot them from the game.
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