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Old 08-03-2012, 01:32 AM    (permalink
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Obviously I knew Gonzo was the SK the whole time.
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Old 08-03-2012, 01:33 AM    (permalink
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I was a Vigilante once...died before I could even put the role to use...sucked ass haha

I think Vigilante is a...ehhh role...cuz if you **** up, well...you ****** up
Just don't give a **** and kill on night 1.
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Old 08-03-2012, 01:38 AM    (permalink
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You said 5 women, you said 5 kills.. and I sniffed that out. I don't get credit for that? Come on Gonzo! TALK TO ME HERE BUDDY.
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Old 08-03-2012, 01:39 AM    (permalink
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Obviously I knew Gonzo was the SK the whole time.
Shut up Broth, go try and discover more pointless facts.
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Old 08-03-2012, 01:48 AM    (permalink
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Never saw a gifter use a gift to kill someone before. :P
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Old 08-03-2012, 01:52 AM    (permalink
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So after I basically committed suicide I think that's my last game for a while unless something takes my fancy such as another HP game or game of thrones game. Need to start focusing on getting my league of legends level up : D

Also I don't understand why people wouldn't randomise games, except for me in the oc game, thanks jr. Otherwise it's just completely unfair.
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Old 08-03-2012, 02:56 AM    (permalink
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So after I basically committed suicide I think that's my last game for a while unless something takes my fancy such as another HP game or game of thrones game. Need to start focusing on getting my league of legends level up : D

Also I don't understand why people wouldn't randomise games, except for me in the oc game, thanks jr. Otherwise it's just completely unfair.
Yeah. People shouldn't randomize the game unless it benefits me!
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Old 08-03-2012, 02:59 AM    (permalink
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Yeah. People shouldn't randomize the game unless it benefits me!
Shut up Caddy.
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Old 08-03-2012, 03:01 AM    (permalink
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Old 08-03-2012, 03:06 AM    (permalink
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Like you could make me.
You have no idea what I'm capable of, Aussie.
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Old 08-03-2012, 03:08 AM    (permalink
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You have no idea what I'm capable of, Aussie.
Which one is you?

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Old 08-03-2012, 03:11 AM    (permalink
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Me:

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Old 08-03-2012, 03:12 AM    (permalink
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You're both weak *****.
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Old 08-03-2012, 03:15 AM    (permalink
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You're both weak *****.
I'd beat you down right now if I knew it wouldn't be perceived as a hate crime.
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Old 08-03-2012, 03:17 AM    (permalink
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You wouldn't get past me.
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Old 08-03-2012, 03:19 AM    (permalink
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The day you are anyones bodyguard, is a sad sad day.
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Old 08-03-2012, 04:23 AM    (permalink
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Fight fight fight!
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Old 08-03-2012, 07:43 AM    (permalink
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I actually don't mind games being non-random to a degree. I don't think every role should be picked out, but I can understand wanted to do a hand picked mafia team or something like that.
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I actually don't mind games being non-random to a degree. I don't think every role should be picked out, but I can understand wanted to do a hand picked mafia team or something like that.
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Anyway, I was planning on being done with all things mafia after this game until next offseason, but you fools have gone and given me an idea.

Give me a slot in one of these upcoming weeks and I'll give you want you want: A guaranteed random game with extremely limited town power roles.

Looking at you guys Caddy, Gonzo...put up or shut up with those deductive skills you've been itching to show off.
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well BB, it was obvious you picked my role this game because I'm obviously the sexiest.
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Old 08-03-2012, 08:42 AM    (permalink
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Alright... since Grizz didn't explain it all that well. Anyone who thinks its unfair that we occasionally tweak some of the roles has benefited from it one way or another. Not to mention we do it because of you guys.

We build these games to be fun and balanced but if the Town is all "elite" players and the Mafia are new guys or inactives the game is not going to function.

In my games I always randomize first. Depending on the layout at that point I tweak. People in the last couple games that have been constant inactives or always late on getting their action in might get swapped out of a power role. I might then slot in an ATL or a Bulldogs who doesn't play when they are a townie.

Other times there might be a situation where JBond comes up mafia... but since JBond is the early game nightly local hangout EVERY SINGLE GAME I might make him the Godfather. (Which is exactly what happened in DDN)

There are other times where I have delayed opening games so that maybe one of the Europeans or the Aussies don't instantly get outed as having a power role.

The fact is again we do this because of you guys for you guys. I could give two ***** if Shane, Gonzo, Caddy, Bulldogs, Vidae or anyone else is a power role but don't ***** when you constantly are one of the ones messing up the balance and then you don't see a power role until you show that you are actually going to play.

We do what we do to keep the game balanced and because some of you are divas or hold grudges we have to do what we can to balance that.
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just goes to show:

Kill Jbond everytime cause he is prolly the godfather
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Kill Jbond everytime cause he is prolly the godfather
Well typically 5 of the 8 actions target him night one.
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Within the first two nights anyway. I've noticed people avoiding him night 1's now since he's likely to get protection or be watched.
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Originally Posted by ImBrotherCain View Post
Alright... since Grizz didn't explain it all that well. Anyone who thinks its unfair that we occasionally tweak some of the roles has benefited from it one way or another. Not to mention we do it because of you guys.

We build these games to be fun and balanced but if the Town is all "elite" players and the Mafia are new guys or inactives the game is not going to function.

In my games I always randomize first. Depending on the layout at that point I tweak. People in the last couple games that have been constant inactives or always late on getting their action in might get swapped out of a power role. I might then slot in an ATL or a Bulldogs who doesn't play when they are a townie.

Other times there might be a situation where JBond comes up mafia... but since JBond is the early game nightly local hangout EVERY SINGLE GAME I might make him the Godfather. (Which is exactly what happened in DDN)

There are other times where I have delayed opening games so that maybe one of the Europeans or the Aussies don't instantly get outed as having a power role.

The fact is again we do this because of you guys for you guys. I could give two ***** if Shane, Gonzo, Caddy, Bulldogs, Vidae or anyone else is a power role but don't ***** when you constantly are one of the ones messing up the balance and then you don't see a power role until you show that you are actually going to play.

We do what we do to keep the game balanced and because some of you are divas or hold grudges we have to do what we can to balance that.
It doesn't matter how you spin it, randomisation is the only true, fair option. The fact that certain people or groups of people are predisposed to be certain roles/teams just tarnishes the game as far as I am concerned.

If one of the reasons you make an inactive person a townie, because they aren't around a lot, then don't let them play. From now on what is going to happen is the regular contributors are going to be targeted even MORE often than usual because now people will know/think that they're more likely to have a power role, and based on recent history they'd apparently be right.

In future games you have to go random now, because otherwise, players like myself/Gonzo/Jbond/Viddy/Jr/Bulldogs etc will be killed early by the mafia because they'll think it has been rigged a certain way.

You say you have to balance it, but I completely disagree. Random is the best way. It is the only way to completely eliminate any bias in the role giving process.
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