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Old 08-06-2012, 09:48 PM    (permalink
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I like how you left out the comment where Owens thought Garcia was ***, which was of course, a lie.

McNabb got tired in the Super Bowl. Sure. Again, why is going to the media blabbering about it a necessity? Again, how is this helping the team?

Romo proved that Owens was expendable. And the notion that he and Witten teamed up to alienate Owens in the passing game was just an excuse Owens used because he felt like he wasn't getting the ball enough. Simply put, he was bitching.

Cincinnati struggled sure. Maybe the coaches were at fault. Maybe it was just a lack of execution on the players part. Marvin Lewis could have said the same thing, but he didn't. Why? Because how would that help the team.

And believe it or not on the field performance can be effected by the smallest things. If someone at your workplace is putting you on blast and telling everyone else in the building that you aren't very good and you get wind of it, it's probably not going to help your focus while you are doing your task. If that person truly feels that way and that person's performance is getting in the way of doing their own job they can go to a superior and talk about it behind closed doors. How is telling the entire nation going to help matters? Oh yeah, it's not. And this is why Owens is on his 100th team now.
How the hell do you know this for sure? lol

I left it out because it has nothing to do with football.

Clearly TO is somewhat of an asshole - no one is disputing that. But his critique on football stuff has been pretty on point. You blame the Bengals players but Palmer and TO blame the coaches/organization. I'd side with the NFL vets here.

You are sure that his antics DESTROY locker rooms and careers. I'm saying that's what the media wants you to believe, and is probably overblown.

He went to the Super Bowl with Philly and had a pretty damn good career. Even through all of his BS, he put up HOF numbers and helped his teams win a lot of games.

If he's able to fracture the Seahawks locker room, then there was something wrong with the lockerroom to begin with. That's what I'm saying.

'Locker room cancer' is a made up idea. Santonio Holmes is a complete dick but was THE driving force in a Super Bowl win. There are always going to be things going on in the locker room but as long as there's a structure in place of established leaders and vets, no small conflicts will actually bleed on the field. Guys probably feel like TO did all the time on every team - they just don't have microphones in their faces as soon as they could possibly be upset.
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Again, he only runs his mouth when he has a legitimate point.

Him saying it isn't going to help the team, but if performance is weak in one area, the team will know it, and if TO points it out, it just confirms to them something they already know and sheds light on the situation for the public because of the media trying to get a quote. Doesn't actually do anything negative for the team. Players know when guys suck.
When you take a public stance on something, others think their opinion should be heard as well.... hence how you divide a locker room. Some things are best left unsaid. Its healthy locker room 101.
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The problem is he runs his mouth to the wrong people. Terrell Owens is allowed to have his opinion. But in the NFL, there is pretty much an unwritten rule that you don't throw your teammates under the bus for the entire world to see. Again, why is the negativity necessary and how is it going to help the team by telling the media?
It's not necessary at all. I wouldn't do it. Most non-assholes wouldn't do it.

All I'm saying is that it's not nearly as HARMFUL as you make it out to be. All it does is give the media a quote. The repercussions are that the media will talk about it - that's it.

And how do you know about unwritten NFL rules? Did you read about them? Then they must be written... wait. And Peyton Manning doesn't know that rule when he singled out his OL after a playoff loss. And how did that fracture that locker room? What was the point of the negativity!? All they did was win the SB the next year and win the division every year.
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Old 08-06-2012, 09:54 PM    (permalink
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I think you guys are nuts for believing all the ESPN stuff they try to give you.

If you seriously think the Jets lost last year because their locker room wasn't strong, you just watch too much ESPN.

Teams win and lose because of performance and preparation - not because they don't like each other or love each other. Come on. If you've ever been on a team you know there are always intra-squad conflicts. They don't mean **** once the whistle blows.
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Old 08-06-2012, 09:57 PM    (permalink
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Here's my final stance I don't really care about this at all.

You guys are implying that he's going to somehow stunt the growth of Wilson or Flynn or cause the Seahawks to go into a tailspin because he'll talk to the media.

I think it is far, far, far more likely that he simply fizzles out and isn't as good anymore.

And even more likely, he has a nice year, or maybe even really good year, and acts like he did in Buffalo (small market, media couldn't stir up ****), not saying a peep (or not being heard because it was in ******* Buffalo).
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It's not necessary at all. I wouldn't do it. Most non-assholes wouldn't do it.

All I'm saying is that it's not nearly as HARMFUL as you make it out to be. All it does is give the media a quote. The repercussions are that the media will talk about it - that's it.

And how do you know about unwritten NFL rules? Did you read about them? Then they must be written... wait. And Peyton Manning doesn't know that rule when he singled out his OL after a playoff loss. And how did that fracture that locker room? What was the point of the negativity!? All they did was win the SB the next year and win the division every year.
Peyton Manning said "we were having some protection problems". That is one quote in a career that has gone on since 1998. And he didn't single out any specific player or even say that it was a certain group's fault. In that media session after the loss to the Steelers Peyton Manning also attributed the loss to himself and his inability to execute if I recall correctly.

And it's pretty much common sense to know what unwritten rules I'm talking about. You can see it every other day in every media practice with every team where these players are obviously talking like politicians and not saying anything out of line. Everyone pretty much knows how to play this "game", except well, Terrell Owens.

Regardless of how harmful you, me, or anyone else believes it may be, it's unnecessary bottom line. It doesn't do any good, so then why do it in the first place? All it can do is bring negativity.
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How the hell do you know this for sure? lol
Have you seen his wife?
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Calling TO only somewhat of an asshole is a vast vast understatement. TO is one of the best talents to play the game but his attitude and big mouth has consistently caused rifts in locker rooms and has made him bounce around the league.

If you think that TO's off the field issues hasn't affected the teams on the field performance, then you are missing something. Undermining your QB and dividing a locker room are quick ways to help a season fall apart. Team chemistry is an important component to success.

Teams that have strong leadership and chemistry are teams that are consistently successful. The Patriots and Steelers would rather dump Moss and Holmes than have them bring down a locker room.
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Yes I have. Doesn't prove he's not ***. Please post a picture of her because this thread sucks otherwise.

We should be talking about what the deal means football-wise, not the ******** ESPN makes up about locker room cancers.

He ran a 4.45 and looked in fantastic shape during his workout.
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Calling TO only somewhat of an asshole is a vast vast understatement. TO is one of the best talents to play the game but his attitude and big mouth has consistently caused rifts in locker rooms and has made him bounce around the league.

If you think that TO's off the field issues hasn't affected the teams on the field performance, then you are missing something. Undermining your QB and dividing a locker room are quick ways to help a season fall apart. Team chemistry is an important component to success.

Teams that have strong leadership and chemistry are teams that are consistently successful. The Patriots and Steelers would rather dump Moss and Holmes than have them bring down a locker room.
After the Pats wen 16-0 with Moss and Steelers won the Super Bowl with Holmes.

You say off the field issus have affected on the field performance but there is no tangible evidence that that is the case. All you have to go on is what ESPN tells you.

I think teams win or lose because of how they perform and prepare. Not because they are subconsciously upset with their teammates.
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And again, all of you bringing up TO's stupid moments with the media - what does that mean to you? It's a bad signing because he's going to ruin the locker room? You really believe that? He's going to badmouth the organization after they were the only team to give him a chance? I just don't see it. He didn't say anything in Buffalo and this is definitely the most comparable situation of all his stops in the NFL.
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T.O. joining the Seahawks is awesome. I was secretly hoping he'd ruin an NFC West team. Good for SF. Can't wait for Dashon Goldson to knock him the **** out.
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TO is much more likely to fizzle out due to lost talent than to badmouth the final organization to give him a shot. Good low risk/high reward signing by the Seahawks.
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Yes I have. Doesn't prove he's not ***. Please post a picture of her because this thread sucks otherwise.

We should be talking about what the deal means football-wise, not the ******** ESPN makes up about locker room cancers.

He ran a 4.45 and looked in fantastic shape during his workout.
LOL so Terrell Owen's words about Jeff Garcia have more merit even though Jeff Garcia is married and has a child? We don't know for sure. Okay. You could say that about anything regarding any person on this planet practically. Based on the evidence provided, I'd say Terrell Owens was just talking out of his ass as per usual.

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I hope Goldson lays that hit out in Candlestick too.
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LOL so Terrell Owen's words about Jeff Garcia have more merit even though Jeff Garcia is married and has a child? We don't know for sure. Okay. You could say that about anything regarding any person on this planet practically. Based on the evidence provided, I'd say Terrell Owens was just talking out of his ass as per usual.



I hope Goldson lays that hit out in Candlestick too.
I'm obviously joking about Jeff freaking Garcia. No one cares about his sexuality. TO was correct in his football criticisms, that's the point.

EDIT: And clearly you Niner fans are biased because he should have been there his whole career and led them to the Super Bowl.

I would have had this stance had he signed with any team. I like the Moss signing for SF too, for the same reasons. I think 'locker room cancer' is BS and media-created.

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TO needs to learn to shut up but I enjoy watching him play. The dude can ball and he has his entire career. I really hope his attitude doesn't keep him from the Hall of Fame one day.
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He's one of the best WRs of all time, and yet, he's been passed around more than Kim Kardashian. If locker room issues were made up by the media, then why have all these teams been so eager to get rid of him? It certainly wasn't because of lack of performance.
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TO needs to learn to shut up but I enjoy watching him play. The dude can ball and he has his entire career. I really hope his attitude doesn't keep him from the Hall of Fame one day.
I also loved him. He was absolutely dominant in the early 2000's. With his stats, he should be a lock for the HoF. They might make him wait for a few years, but I think he has to get in.

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He's one of the best WRs of all time, and yet, he's been passed around more than Kim Kardashian. If locker room issues were made up by the media, then why have all these teams been so eager to get rid of him? It certainly wasn't because of lack of performance.
Because those teams didn't have thick skin.
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TO is clearly HoF. He might have to wait a year or two because he just isn't a likable guy but his play/stats put him in the Hall for sure.

Moss is another guy who can be a negative locker guy, but TO is on another level from Moss. Chad Johnson is nothing like TO attitude wise.
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You're fighting a winless battle, my friend. As a 49ers' fan who still has fondness for Owens, I can promise you the argument can't be won. Jordan Taber is perhaps the only person with the energy left to fight the fight.

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You're fighting a winless battle, my friend. As a 49ers' fan who still has fondness for Owens, I can promise you the argument can't be won. Jordan Taber is perhaps the only person with the energy left to fight the fight.

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I can't believe that website is still up.
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You're fighting a winless battle, my friend. As a 49ers' fan who still has fondness for Owens, I can promise you the argument can't be won. Jordan Taber is perhaps the only person with the energy left to fight the fight.

http://terrellowensdefense.org/
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Yes I have. Doesn't prove he's not ***. Please post a picture of her because this thread sucks otherwise.

We should be talking about what the deal means football-wise, not the ******** ESPN makes up about locker room cancers.

He ran a 4.45 and looked in fantastic shape during his workout.


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