Hard Knocks with the Dolphins - Page 3

GaMeTiMe · 08-08-2012, 03:39 AM

I think we all understand the Dolphins aren't a playoff team..Hardknocks will only reflect most of the reasons why. Doesnt mean it doesn't make for entertaining tv, I'd take such training camp insight with any team in the league.

TACKLE · 08-08-2012, 04:16 AM

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The depth chart scene was awkward

Chad upped his troll game after learning from the trollmaster last year in New England. The Dolphins just weren't ready for it yet.

edit - oh you meant Philbin. I thought you meant when Chad walked in when they were setting their depth chart.

That episode needed moar Lamar.

49ersfan_87 · 08-08-2012, 05:43 PM

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Anybody else a little underwhelmed by the small sample size of Philbin?

Doesn't strike me as a coach I'd run through a wall for...

The depth chart scene was awkward and I thought he was out of line a little talking to Chad after he cursed at his PC. Didn't even look Chad in the eye. Weird.

Personality seemed kind of off and he isn't particularly motivating. I did like his ingenuity with practice, where the 1's take a snap on 1 side of the field, then the 2's immediately take a snap on the other side while the 1's re-group.

Agree with you on the depth chart scene. The coach and the QB's were doing their thing, he comes in and everyone (even the coach) just stop in their tracks. Cut the tension with a knife.

Ness · 08-09-2012, 02:22 AM

I actually liked Philbin. Seemed like a normal-boss type. Really professional. Personally, I don't think you need a "rah-rah" coach all the time or someone that is going to get hyped up to make you try hard a la Mike Singletary. You should be doing that already.

I also enjoyed the 15 second cheerleader practice scene. That was awesome.

Scotty D · 08-09-2012, 02:34 AM

Maybe my eyes are deceiving me but from what I saw Chad looks pretty good so far.

Ness · 08-09-2012, 02:51 AM

Maybe things will work out for him this year. It would be nice to see him back on top.

Razor · 08-09-2012, 03:57 AM

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Maybe my eyes are deceiving me but from what I saw Chad looks pretty good so far.

He can't look any worse than last year, that's for sure. Chad is still a good receiver, he just didn't comprehend the defense in NE. I think Chad can still be a 1000 yard receiver in the Miami offense, especially since he's so motivated to prove that he's not done. It didn't work out in NE, but that doesn't mean that he's done.

ATLDirtyBirds · 08-09-2012, 06:50 AM

Any one have a link where I can watch?

tjsunstein · 08-09-2012, 08:25 AM

It's not on HBOGO? Therefore I also need a link.

Dr. Gonzo · 08-09-2012, 08:27 AM

Watchseries-online.eu and check the index for hard knocks.

bigbluedefense · 08-09-2012, 08:42 AM

Chad's problem isn't physical. He was just a terrible fit for the NE offense. He can't read defenses and he's an awful route runner. He can't play any option routes, he's awful at it, and the NE offense lives and dies with the option route.

I called it from day 1, I saw that disaster coming. In a more strict route tree offense like the WCO, he should be productive. He's not as quick as he used to be, so don't expect the old Chad Johnson, but he can still be productive. He won't be abysmal like he was in NE.

Razor · 08-09-2012, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ATLDirtyBirds

Any one have a link where I can watch?

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It's not on HBOGO? Therefore I also need a link.

I found it on www.torrentz.eu

Complex · 08-09-2012, 10:19 AM

Its also on project free tv

dolphinfan2k5 · 08-09-2012, 11:34 AM

HBO made the first episode available for free online.

http://www.hbo.com/hard-knocks/episo...?autoplay=true

LonghornsLegend · 08-09-2012, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by GaMeTiMe

I think we all understand the Dolphins aren't a playoff team..Hardknocks will only reflect most of the reasons why. Doesnt mean it doesn't make for entertaining tv, I'd take such training camp insight with any team in the league.

Thank you. I love this kinda stuff, it could have been the Rams. I thought it was a nice insight on how that rookie was invited to camp, spent the night with his playbook visualizing what he was going to do, then got his walking papers before he even put his pads on. Messed up but that's the life of the NFL and it's interesting to me.

I'm happy to see Chad going back to his former self, he's their best WR regardless of the fact so he should have a nice bounce back season, but at least he called it like it was, exposed. He likes the attention, but he's never been annoying to me. Says a lot that he went to NE and shut himself down completely, and knowing how much he loves the spotlight shows that he respects Bill, sure he was garbage but he got away from all of that stuff.

Chad will still go down as one of my favorite WR's of the decade though when he was on top of his game, he had a 6 year stretch that was pretty remarkable. He was almost a lock for 90/1300/9 every single year.

Ness · 08-09-2012, 01:21 PM

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Chad's problem isn't physical. He was just a terrible fit for the NE offense. He can't read defenses and he's an awful route runner. He can't play any option routes, he's awful at it, and the NE offense lives and dies with the option route.

I called it from day 1, I saw that disaster coming. In a more strict route tree offense like the WCO, he should be productive. He's not as quick as he used to be, so don't expect the old Chad Johnson, but he can still be productive. He won't be abysmal like he was in NE.

He may not have been a fit for that offense, but you don't have the career that Chad has had being an awful route runner.

bigbluedefense · 08-09-2012, 02:26 PM

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He may not have been a fit for that offense, but you don't have the career that Chad has had being an awful route runner.

When you're running the wrong route half the time, you're an awful route runner.

Explosiveness can mask a lot of errors in your game. DJax is a productive WR bc he's explosive, but if you watch his route running you'll see that he's not polished at all, he rounds his cuts constantly.

Chad was productive bc he used to be explosive. He never rounded his cuts like Jackson but he would run the wrong routes often. Even with a more strict route tree where there are no options.

Production is production. But being productive doesn't automatically mean you were a technician as well.

ChiFan24 · 08-09-2012, 03:58 PM

Also, am I crazy, or is Matt Moore clearly the QB there? Unless Tannehill unexpectedly outplays him right away, I think it's Moore over Garrard all the way.

SuperPacker · 08-09-2012, 04:08 PM

I felt so bad for Derek Dennis! :(

Ness · 08-09-2012, 04:22 PM

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When you're running the wrong route half the time, you're an awful route runner.

Explosiveness can mask a lot of errors in your game. DJax is a productive WR bc he's explosive, but if you watch his route running you'll see that he's not polished at all, he rounds his cuts constantly.

Chad was productive bc he used to be explosive. He never rounded his cuts like Jackson but he would run the wrong routes often. Even with a more strict route tree where there are no options.

Production is production. But being productive doesn't automatically mean you were a technician as well.

Completely disagree. Just because you are explosive doesn't mean you have an advantage in terms being productive. Chad has been doing this for a while, and watching him over the years he has lost a lot of his spark, but that doesn't mean he has always been a terrible route runner. He ran a variety of different routes during the bulk of his career in with the Bengals and was good at it. Chad's problem in recent years is mostly due to self-admitted laziness and age, but that doesn't mean he was a fraud the majority of his career. You don't make six Pro Bowls and two first team All Pros at his position only because you were explosive and don't bring anything else to the table. If he was running the wrong routes half the time he wouldn't have had the career he did.

sbh15 · 08-09-2012, 04:34 PM

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Also, am I crazy, or is Matt Moore clearly the QB there? Unless Tannehill unexpectedly outplays him right away, I think it's Moore over Garrard all the way.

yeah it seems pretty clear the Moore will start the year. he did play very well down the stretch last season, too

dolphinfan2k5 · 08-10-2012, 03:02 AM

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Also, am I crazy, or is Matt Moore clearly the QB there? Unless Tannehill unexpectedly outplays him right away, I think it's Moore over Garrard all the way.

Why do you say that. Garrard is listed #1 and has been having better practices. Looks like Garrard all the way to me.

Cudders · 08-10-2012, 08:11 AM

As far as I can see, there are two roads the Dolphins can take with their quarterback situation.

The first, and the road the coaching staff seems to be taking, is viewing Garrard as the better option for Miami at this point in time. Philbin is coming in and installing a brand new offensive scheme and it doesn’t surprise me that Garrard is immersing himself in it more than Moore. Garrard is a grizzled veteran with better applicable experience. So, in the constant win-now atmosphere, it makes sense that Philbin opts for the best win-now quarterback.

But, if Moore’s performance is at least comparable to Garrard’s, I think Moore should get the nod over him.

Garrard is what he is. He’s had a good NFL career. He’s a solid caretaker that can show up and has even been a little more than that in some games, but his upside is fixed. Quarterbacks in their mid-thirties don’t experience monumental improvements. The odds that he comes out and carries this team past their meager expectations with a string of spectacular performances after sitting out of football for a full season are quite slim-to-downright impossible. There are things to like about Garrard, but there is nothing to love.

With Moore, there is more room around the margins to work with. Age is on his side in comparison with Garrard and there is greater reason to believe he’s got untapped ability. Moore only has twenty-five starts to his entire career. A third of what Garrard has under his belt. Plus, he’s still got certain ‘win-now’ qualities about him. He inherited an 0-4 football team from Chad Henne and then went 6-6 in the remaining twelve starts.

Moore is the more flexible short-term and long-term option. Short-term, Moore can show the coaching staff what he’s got and let Philbin get a more accurate pulse. In that time, he can either impress or prove to be more of the same or fall flat on his face. If he impresses, Miami can entertain the idea of trading him and getting a return out of him before handing the franchise over to Tannehill. We’ve seen backups retrieve decent assets from quarterback-starved teams. If he proves to be more of the same, Miami has the option of competing to keep him as insurance to Tannehill. And having a great bullpen quarterback is comforting to a coach. And, if he falls on his face, Miami can still look to Garrard to right the ship.

That said, the most intriguing aspect of the Dolphins’ quarterback situation is when Tannehill gets his shot. If he’s going out there and competing and impressing coaches, there’s no reason to hold him back and stunt his development. Garrard and Moore can be solid. Tannehill can be much more than that.

K Train · 08-10-2012, 08:46 AM

gotta say as much as i hate chad johnson i watched hard knocks on demand and the dude is funny as hell

bigbluedefense · 08-10-2012, 09:33 AM

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Completely disagree. Just because you are explosive doesn't mean you have an advantage in terms being productive. Chad has been doing this for a while, and watching him over the years he has lost a lot of his spark, but that doesn't mean he has always been a terrible route runner. He ran a variety of different routes during the bulk of his career in with the Bengals and was good at it. Chad's problem in recent years is mostly due to self-admitted laziness and age, but that doesn't mean he was a fraud the majority of his career. You don't make six Pro Bowls and two first team All Pros at his position only because you were explosive and don't bring anything else to the table. If he was running the wrong routes half the time he wouldn't have had the career he did.

I don't know what to tell you. It's widely acknowledged that he would run the wrong routes very often. And not recognize when he's hot.

Ask Bengals fans. Or Carson Palmer. He dealt with it.

You keep saying "well he was productive so it can't be true"

A player runs around 30 routes a game. If you run 5 wrong routes out of 30, it won't hurt your production that much, but it sure as hell does not make you a good route runner.