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Old 08-08-2012, 08:56 PM    (permalink
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When has he ever stunk? Sorry to inform you, but he's already proven that he's not a bust. He's good, it's just a matter of just how good he can be.

Write him off..... .....
So if he disappears int he second half again and is injured again ... do we write him off as average.
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So if he disappears int he second half again and is injured again ... do we write him off as average.
Do you think Laurent Robinson is as good as his stats indicated last year?
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Do you think Laurent Robinson is as good as his stats indicated last year?
Laurent Robinson did not cost the team a #1 pick.

Is he is as good? maybe, we will see but some other team thought so.

Which gets me to a different point, why is it other teams in the Division sign Cowboys players and yet Dallas never does the same?

Giants and Washington particularly since I think we fits their systems better.

Your thoughts?

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Laurent Robinson is not as good as Tony Romo and the Cowboys offense made him look.

He's also not as bad as Blaine Gabbert and the Jags offense will make him look.
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Our WR position has slowly turned into a weak spot on our team. You have Miles who cannot stay healthy. Dez who is one step away from doing something stupid again and being suspended or released. And then after that you have multiple unproven players. It's kind of a scary situation if you ask me. Looking at a guy like Plax might not be a bad thing come the end of camp.
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Laurent Robinson is not as good as Tony Romo and the Cowboys offense made him look.

He's also not as bad as Blaine Gabbert and the Jags offense will make him look.
So can the same be said for Hakeem Nicks and Victor Cruz?

Just wondering ...
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So can the same be said for Hakeem Nicks and Victor Cruz?

Just wondering ...
Yup.

Look at all the guys who left the Giants. Steve Smith, Kevin Boss, Plax. None are productive since they left.

I think Nicks and Cruz would both still be good to very good, but their production is definitely a reflection of having a good qb passing them the ball as well.
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Yup.

Look at all the guys who left the Giants. Steve Smith, Kevin Boss, Plax. None are productive since they left.

I think Nicks and Cruz would both still be good to very good, but their production is definitely a reflection of having a good qb passing them the ball as well.
Well honestly it's not fair to talk about Smith and Plax like that. Plax was out of the game for a year in jail and Smith was banged up pretty bad with injuries.
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This is a tired argument. Dez, the organization, Garrett, etc. all said Dez was not in football shape last season. What...? He looked downright explosive and has sticky hands when he's not in shape. Now from ALL reports out of camp he is excelling against one of the better press corners in the league (Carr) and looks to be in peak shape.

Yes he has had some bad PR moments:
* Buying waaaay too much jewelry and not paying immediately. Vendor took him to court for much more than what was eventually settled.
-1 for immaturity.

* Wearing his pants to low in an up-scale mall and then ignoring mall-cops.
How is this guy still in the NFL!?! -1 for being immature

* His admitted and previously charged crackhead mother claims Dez hit her repeatedly and then later declines to press charges. Dez denies the entire incident.

+1 point for still associating with his mother given everything. (Google if you want what I mean). -1 for putting himself in a position that he brings negative PR for the team.

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Angela Bryant's attorney Royce West's statement on her behalf on 7/24/2012: "Did a family disagreement occur? Yes. Did Dez Bryant commit family violence against his mother? No."
For someone coming from a background of having a 15 year old mother whom was imprisoned for drug use and bouncing between homes I'd hardly call wearing your pants low and racking up a jewelry tab the moment you are destined for stardom as grounds for major concerns. He's said all the right things and clearly has worked his tail off during the offseason.

So in total off the field he has 2 counts of immaturity, and 1 count of poor situational awareness. Don't know about you guys I'll take immaturity over a true knucklehead. Hell I'm giving Dez +1 for firing Rosenhaus. He's said the right things and has clearly worked his tail off over the offseason. He wasn't waving a gun in traffic (Doomz), he wasn't running over peds while drunk (Stallworth), convicted of shooting himself (LOL), or using PEDs (Haden). Unless you are truly buying into Angela Bryant's claims, if so I have a bridge for sale, then I'm not sure why the major hangup.
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Snaps way over the QB's head is something we as Cowboys fans just have to get tortured with. Year after year. Which is ironic because we run a ton of shotgun but whatever. We may as well bring back Alan Ball and put him at slot CB since we like the same mistakes.
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Laurent Robinson did not cost the team a #1 pick.

Is he is as good? maybe, we will see but some other team thought so.

Which gets me to a different point, why is it other teams in the Division sign Cowboys players and yet Dallas never does the same?

Giants and Washington particularly since I think we fits their systems better.

Your thoughts?
Robinson was the beneficiary of the attention Dez attracted. The reason why Dez didn't get targets. You can spin it to act like Dez disappeared, but that was mostly due to Romo not throwing to him. Not because he was targeted and kept dropping passes or being off route or simply being beat by the DB. Those things weren't apparent.

End your bias. He has personal issues, but not on field issues.
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Robinson was the beneficiary of the attention Dez attracted. The reason why Dez didn't get targets. You can spin it to act like Dez disappeared, but that was mostly due to Romo not throwing to him. Not because he was targeted and kept dropping passes or being off route or simply being beat by the DB. Those things weren't apparent.

End your bias. He has personal issues, but not on field issues.
So it is Romo's fault?

I dunno but one thing I remember is Dez not being a good route runner.

Always the long list of excuses for whatever personal favorite.

Like discussing things with 13 year olds with a Fathead in their room.

Dear god, this board is filled with apologists... whoever they love, they apologise for.

Oh ... and maybe Dez benefits from Miles? But the bro-mance with an UDFA is near zero on this board. Dez however,,,,,, you could eat him like ice cream.
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enuff with the dez love or hate, new topic espn dallas has a "Hot Button" topic of whether the cowboys should sign plaxico burress, i personally don't think so.

but it got me thinking what veteran free agent could the cowboys bring in to possibly solidify a position at least for this year, and with the cowboys essentially down to emergency backups behind costa, what veteran center are available. thanks to nfltraderumors.com

http://nfltraderumors.co/2012-nfl-free-agents/

2 guys peaked my interest jamaal jackson formerly of the eagles who is supposedly contemplating retirement and jeff faine a former 1st rounder of cleveland who was released by the bucs in the mist of a youth movement in march

what are r ur guys thoughts? any other free agents who you would like to see on the cowboys?
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So it is Romo's fault?

I dunno but one thing I remember is Dez not being a good route runner.

Always the long list of excuses for whatever personal favorite.

Like discussing things with 13 year olds with a Fathead in their room.

Dear god, this board is filled with apologists... whoever they love, they apologise for.

Oh ... and maybe Dez benefits from Miles? But the bro-mance with an UDFA is near zero on this board. Dez however,,,,,, you could eat him like ice cream.
come on man give it up, whatever bad stuff you can dig up about dez the one thing that u forget is that dez loves football and he has a passion for the game (remember how he was jumping up and down, hugging garrett after catching td vs the rams) the only stable thing growing up in his life was football which is the only reason he's not like his mom and selling dope or in jail for selling dope, he's not a bad guy, just someone who needs people in his life to have his back and show him how go about things the right way. with a full offseason and training camp for the 1st time since his sophomore year in college i expect him to have breakout year. the greatest thing ive heard about this training camp is he isn't making mental mistakes with his route adjustment. expect ur rep to be in the -5000 range and lots of egg on ur face

trash someone who's worth getting trashed like costa
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come on man give it up, whatever bad stuff you can dig up about dez the one thing that u forget is that dez loves football and he has a passion for the game (remember how he was jumping up and down, hugging garrett after catching td vs the rams) the only stable thing growing up in his life was football which is the only reason he's not like his mom and selling dope or in jail for selling dope, he's not a bad guy, just someone who needs people in his life to have his back and show him how go about things the right way. with a full offseason and training camp for the 1st time since his sophomore year in college i expect him to have breakout year. the greatest thing ive heard about this training camp is he isn't making mental mistakes with his route adjustment. expect ur rep to be in the -5000 range and lots of egg on ur face

trash someone who's worth getting trashed like costa
1) Hope he is great and we win the SB.
2) Could give a hoot about rep from b**tlicking m*r*ns.
3) Costa is not a first round pick.
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enuff with the dez love or hate, new topic espn dallas has a "Hot Button" topic of whether the cowboys should sign plaxico burress, i personally don't think so.

but it got me thinking what veteran free agent could the cowboys bring in to possibly solidify a position at least for this year, and with the cowboys essentially down to emergency backups behind costa, what veteran center are available. thanks to nfltraderumors.com

http://nfltraderumors.co/2012-nfl-free-agents/

2 guys peaked my interest jamaal jackson formerly of the eagles who is supposedly contemplating retirement and jeff faine a former 1st rounder of cleveland who was released by the bucs in the mist of a youth movement in march

what are r ur guys thoughts? any other free agents who you would like to see on the cowboys?
He will do.
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1) Hope he is great and we win the SB.
good at least we share that in common, was beginning to think ur closet giant fan (just kidding)

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2) Could give a hoot about rep from b**tlicking m*r*ns.
good that u dont care about ur rep, u should start group for unpopular at risk high school teens, share with them some of ur coping strategies
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3) Costa is not a first round pick.
costa is the starting center, so what if he isn't a first rounder, if ur not pulling ur wait you need to go, i'm all about what garrett said in his very fisrt press conference, it don't matter where you are drafted or what your salary is, its all about what you can do to help the dallas cowboys win a super bowl

dez has me

costa has me

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I'd be game for Faine. JG did say we've looked closely at the short list of centers and decided to stick what was still at camp. I'm assuming that plan will change after a preseason game or two.
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The new assistant coaches are upgrading their units. I see a lot more teaching and attention to detail in the offensive line and secondary unit work. Callahan will put his linemen in their stances, kneel between the offensive and defensive linemen, touch his charge's nose and draw a line to the exact spot he wants his lineman to hit on his opponent. When his guys work on stretch plays or coil up to hit targets, he's stopping them mid-stride and making minute adjustments to shoulder placements, foot placement and to height. He sometimes looks like a window dresser handling massive human mannequins.

The point of his and assistant Wes Phillips' lessons (watch this guy in the future) is creating "lines of power." One observer I spoke to this week said Callahan must have some background in kinesiology, because all this fine adjustments work to maximize power transfer between the blocker's core and the point of impact, be it the blocker's shoulder or his hand(s).

Similar work goes on with Jerome Henderson's secondary bunch. He's fussy about hand placement and effective jams off the line of scrimmage. The receivers and d-backs go one-on-one off the line every other day and these have become highly entertaining drills. They offer a quick view of which receivers can beat the jam, but also on which defenders can pop.

Not surprisingly, Brandon Carr is the secondary champ. He loves the contact and he brings his punch-outs from all angles, and at all times. He has a boxer's feel for his blows; sometimes he delivers the jolt just after the snap. Sometimes he'll delay it until the receiver is almost even with him. Carr gives the kids a bruising and is making the starting receivers better off-the-line. They have to be, or they won't get past him.
I love the changing of the guard this team has gone through from Wade to Garrett. The atmosphere is completely different and our assistant coaches seem much more up to task ESPECIALLY in the secondary and offensive line. Callahan and Henderson might be the most key acquisitions we made this off-season.
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I love the changing of the guard this team has gone through from Wade to Garrett. The atmosphere is completely different and our assistant coaches seem much more up to task ESPECIALLY in the secondary and offensive line. Callahan and Henderson might be the most key acquisitions we made this off-season.
its more a changing from JJ as the hc to garrett, alot the assistant such as campo and houck were jerry jones hires, wade phillips wanted to hire hall of famer emmitt thomas as the db coach, but jerry interceded and rehired campo instead
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If Dez stays healthy (which is a real question mark), he could end up with the best WR numbers in the league this year. 3rd year is the breakout year for many WRs.
Contrary to prior belief, this isn't always true. I read an article that showed the numbers of guys like Brandon Marshall, Vincent Jackson, Calvin Johnson, and Andre Johnson, and all of their production actually decreased slightly in their 3rd year, before continuing to have big years from their 4th year on. I do expect Dez to have better stats if he's healthy, but it is something to take into account. All of those WR's had over 1,000 yards in their 2nd year, while Dez did not so that's another thing. But again, the "3rd year is almost the breakout" for WR's is somewhat of a misleading stereotype.

On the injury front, thankfully things are seeming to get a lot better. Ratliff is back at practice today, along with Bernadeau and Coale being full go, and Claiborne seems ready to go and could practice tomorrow, although he won't play in the Oakland game. No matter what he should be good to go when the team resumes practice after the Oakland game, which is a good thing. I never trust when the Cowboys say "it's only 1 week" because they always seem to take longer than that, but it seems that he should be back as soon as they originally thought. Livings also should be good to go once we get back from Oakland, so hopefully (barring another injury) our predicted 5 starters should be able to start practicing together by next week. Plenty of time to get ready for the Giants.
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So if he disappears int he second half again and is injured again ... do we write him off as average.
You watch way to much ESPN... He was open, Romo just didn't throw him the ball. Dez is a very hard worker as well. People who believe ESPN stereotype's really can sound bad sometimes.
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Contrary to prior belief, this isn't always true. I read an article that showed the numbers of guys like Brandon Marshall, Vincent Jackson, Calvin Johnson, and Andre Johnson, and all of their production actually decreased slightly in their 3rd year, before continuing to have big years from their 4th year on. I do expect Dez to have better stats if he's healthy, but it is something to take into account. All of those WR's had over 1,000 yards in their 2nd year, while Dez did not so that's another thing. But again, the "3rd year is almost the breakout" for WR's is somewhat of a misleading stereotype.
I never intended it to mean that it is always true. It is a saying that goes around and there is some merit to it. Dez going on to have a top year by any WR in the game isn't based off that statement. It's based off the fact that he seems ready, the opportunity is ripe and he's right around that time where the playbook should be second nature for him.

That article sounds misleading... as if to say top 2nd year WRs who have a 1000 yard season, will likely have a down 3rd year before they have a bounce back 4th year+. Too cookie cutter.
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