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Old 08-14-2012, 04:00 PM    (permalink) 
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One time in his career his OPS has been higher than Miggy's. Never hit for a better average, Miggy drives in more runs....the only thing Bats has on him is jacks.
Well..looking at Bautistas career before he changed his batting approach is pointless.

Also...the fact that you phrase RBIs in a way that it is better than HRs is hilarious.
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Well..looking at Bautistas career before he changed his batting approach is pointless.

Also...the fact that you phrase RBIs in a way that it is better than HRs is hilarious.
If RBIs really matter then Votto is ****** because he has the worst OBP in front of him.
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Well..looking at Bautistas career before he changed his batting approach is pointless.

Also...the fact that you phrase RBIs in a way that it is better than HRs is hilarious.
Even when Bats has changed his approach Miggy has been better. Adam Dunn hits a lot of home runs and I dont think hes a great hitter...so home runs dont impress me all that much.

You can hit 30 hr's a year and still strike out 200 times. Good for ******* you lol.
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If RBIs really matter then Votto is ****** because he has the worst OBP in front of him.
Clearly if Votto is so good then people in front of him should be getting on base more. He really needs to work on that.
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Even when Bats has changed his approach Miggy has been better. Adam Dunn hits a lot of home runs and I dont think hes a great hitter...so home runs dont impress me all that much.

You can hit 30 hr's a year and still strike out 200 times. Good for ******* you lol.
Except he hasnt been. They have essentially been neck and neck. Bautista had a ******* .447 OBP last year...why the **** are you bringing up Adam Dunn.
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Except he hasnt been. They have essentially been neck and neck. Bautista had a ******* .447 OBP last year...why the **** are you bringing up Adam Dunn.
Because you seem to think HR's determine how good of a hitter you are...
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Because you seem to think HR's determine how good of a hitter you are...
No, they are just a way more important stat than ******* RBIs.
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Except he hasnt been. They have essentially been neck and neck. Bautista had a ******* .447 OBP last year...why the **** are you bringing up Adam Dunn.

And Miggy had a .448 OBP last season.
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No, they are just a way more important stat than ******* RBIs.
Way more important huh?

Hitting with RISP isnt important to you?
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Way more important huh?

Hitting with RISP isnt important to you?
Except RBI's depend on chances.
Like for Votto.
Votto has a crazy high BA w/RISP last I checked.
But had stupid low RBI numbers.

Joey has a .371 BA w/RISP and gets on at a .539 clip w/RISP
He only has 49 RBI.

(even at the time he left the lineup those RBI totals were not high)
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Way more important huh?

Hitting with RISP isnt important to you?
Yes, infinitely times more important.

The only RBI that is worth a damn is the one that you get for hitting a HR.

Hitting with RISP is another event dependent stat.
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And Miggy had a .448 OBP last season.
Jeez louis you are right.

They sure seem like they are pretty comparable hitters to me.
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Yes, infinitely times more important.

The only RBI that is worth a damn is the one that you get for hitting a HR.

Hitting with RISP is another event dependent stat.
Infinitely times....jesus.
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Jeez louis you are right.

They sure seem like they are pretty comparable hitters to me.
Eh, not really. One is a better contact hitter than the other, one hits more HR's than the other

pretty different hitters tbh, both very good though.
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Eh, not really. One is a better contact hitter than the other, one hits more HR's than the other

pretty different hitters tbh, both very good though.
So you could almost say it's about personal preference to whether you value contact or HR more?
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Eh, not really. One is a better contact hitter than the other, one hits more HR's than the other

pretty different hitters tbh, both very good though.
ya...sorry bout that..kind of unclear but I meant comparable in terms of who is better overall.
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Actually, I should rephrase that. Bautista most likely would hit for a better BA if he wasn't so pull/hr happy. His LD% is very poor and his FB% is extremely high

everything else shows that he is a good hitter though. Great eye at the plate, doesn't K a lot and his contact % isn't that far off from Miggy's. They just go about it in different ways to get the results they do
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All those guys sans Dunn are awesome hitters. What the **** are you guys debating?
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Everyone was saying how Miggy was def a top 3 hitter.

I decided to play devils advocate.

Then people started jerking off to how many runs you bat in.
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None of that is relevant for determining the best hitter. I'm fully aware of OPS, but on base percentage is no factor for best hitter. Now, If the question was best offensive player you'd have a point.
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There are two very simple stats to settle this debate: wOBA and wRC.
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I was thinking Hamilton instead of Kemp, but that's nitpicking.
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