Art Modell passes away

[Brodeur]

Originally Posted by Rosebud

The Browns were in the playoffs before their move in the mid 90's, that's 15 years ago, not that much less than Knicks stretch between the ewing trade the melo trade. Plus my favorite team in any sport, 1 FC Union Berlin, still hasn't made it up to the top division since re-unification way back in 1989. I have a soft spot for the Bills and Rams, and really just mega-loathe the city of cleveland

Good thing nobody cares about soccer.

[Rosebud]

Originally Posted by Brodeur

Good thing nobody cares about soccer.

Which is kinda funny since nobody cares that nobody in america cares about it. *shrug*

[Brodeur]

Originally Posted by Rosebud

Which is kinda funny since nobody cares that nobody in america cares about it. *shrug*

Hey, I know there's a market for games that spend 90 minutes being exactly like the 3-0 borefest of a half that was yesterday's game (before the 2 minute warning). So, if people want that in soccer, so be it.

[Ness]

I wonder if they'll add tidbits to how Cleveland Browns fans fell since Modell died in the upcoming "A Football Life" piece about the franchise moving.

[niel89]

RIP to a man of NFL History.

[WinslowBodden]

Originally Posted by Ness

I wonder if they'll add tidbits to how Cleveland Browns fans fell since Modell died in the upcoming "A Football Life" piece about the franchise moving.

Wait until Sunday when the drunk Browns fans start a **** modell chant or something stupid and it blows up and ends up all over the media.

[WinslowBodden]

Originally Posted by Rosebud

Then why are you a browns fan? I grew up in Berlin and Chicago, and was smart enough not become a browns fan, how come you ended up a Browns fan growing up an equally awesome city?

I grew up in Cleveland and assumed you grew up in NYC because you are a Giants fan, I was making a jab at you for ripping on Cleveland relentlessly all the time but apparently that flew right over your head.

Cleveland is not nearly as ****** as people make it out to be, certain areas are obviously a **** hole but that comes with most big cities. If you grew up in Chicago good for you, http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/cri...to-exceed-2011 shows how ******* amazing Chicago is and that every part of the city is clearly a sanctuary.

There is really no reason to hate Cleveland, especially the fans of the city. I would like to hear reasons besides "LOL WHAT THE **** IS THERE TO DO IN CLEVELAND!?" and "LOL I FOUND A FUNNY VIDEO ON YOUTUBE DESCRIBING CLEVELAND TOURISM!" and "LOL YOUR SPORTS TEAMS SUCK, **** YOU!"

[ImBrotherCain]

Originally Posted by WinslowBodden

There is really no reason to hate Cleveland, especially the fans of the city. I would like to hear reasons besides "LOL WHAT THE **** IS THERE TO DO IN CLEVELAND!?" and "LOL I FOUND A FUNNY VIDEO ON YOUTUBE DESCRIBING CLEVELAND TOURISM!" and "LOL YOUR SPORTS TEAMS SUCK, **** YOU!"

To be fair I have had only one experience with the city... Last year I went to a concert there and when I got there I found parking. Had a guy basically tell me that if I don't pay him something bad may happen to my car... Well in that nice way like "Hey man if you give me some money ill make sure nothing happens to your car. The parking lot attendant is my homie and we make sure your car is safe"

While waiting to get into the club I was approached by 15 bums and I am not overstating that. They literally walked down the line outside the club and asked every single person for money sometimes in too personal of ways.

So albeit my sample size is small... I am not a fan.

[robert pancake gallery]

there will no doubt be fans who continue to boo his name, as he will continue to be a poster-child for the shortcomings of capitalism and corporate greed who cost the city of cleveland and its residents (but at the same time brought revenue and jobs into the city of baltimore). not that i will be booing, but if i were a long-time cleveland resident in my 50s or 60s then why the hell would i care about the "legacy" of some multi-billionaire business magnate who spent his life effectively finding ways to optimally succeed at the expense of others (i'm not trying to make a political commentary, but that is essentially what it comes down to in his situation).

you can argue that if there is a moment of silence and a bunch of fans start booing that it is disrespectful to art's friends and family, but it is naive to expect every drunken fan at a football game to behave with the same filter as some kid sitting at home on his computer posting on a message board. of course they will though, so espn and all the other tabloid-tier news outlets have something to talk about for the next week to get their ratings by stirring the pot. just understand that when you get outraged, you are playing into espn's hand and falling victim to their emotional appeals that they rely on.

[niel89]

I have tons of respect for Browns fans. They are the polar opposite of bandwagon fans. They know how to stick it out.

[SuperMcGee]

Cleveland is good for free Soul Decision concerts and Jeopardy tests. And the Tribe! But I can empathize with sports misery and people having such negative conceptions about your city. ******* Lake Erie, man.

[BuckeyeDan17]

Originally Posted by robert pancake gallery

there will no doubt be fans who continue to boo his name, as he will continue to be a poster-child for the shortcomings of capitalism and corporate greed who cost the city of cleveland and its residents (but at the same time brought revenue and jobs into the city of baltimore). not that i will be booing, but if i were a long-time cleveland resident in my 50s or 60s then why the hell would i care about the "legacy" of some multi-billionaire business magnate who spent his life effectively finding ways to optimally succeed at the expense of others (i'm not trying to make a political commentary, but that is essentially what it comes down to in his situation).

you can argue that if there is a moment of silence and a bunch of fans start booing that it is disrespectful to art's friends and family, but it is naive to expect every drunken fan at a football game to behave with the same filter as some kid sitting at home on his computer posting on a message board. of course they will though, so espn and all the other tabloid-tier news outlets have something to talk about for the next week to get their ratings by stirring the pot. just understand that when you get outraged, you are playing into espn's hand and falling victim to their emotional appeals that they rely on.

Well put. I have a bad feeling about the reputation our fan base is about to acquire in the eyes of the media and ill-informed fans once that moment of silence is requested in Cleveland Browns Stadium this sunday about 5 minutes til 1 p.m.

[WinslowBodden]

Originally Posted by ImBrotherCain

To be fair I have had only one experience with the city... Last year I went to a concert there and when I got there I found parking. Had a guy basically tell me that if I don't pay him something bad may happen to my car... Well in that nice way like "Hey man if you give me some money ill make sure nothing happens to your car. The parking lot attendant is my homie and we make sure your car is safe"

While waiting to get into the club I was approached by 15 bums and I am not overstating that. They literally walked down the line outside the club and asked every single person for money sometimes in too personal of ways.

So albeit my sample size is small... I am not a fan.

And I've been there over 200 times and never had something like that happen once.

It just matters where you are and what you happen to run into by chance.

[Ness]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeDan17

Well put. I have a bad feeling about the reputation our fan base is about to acquire in the eyes of the media and ill-informed fans once that moment of silence is requested in Cleveland Browns Stadium this sunday about 5 minutes til 1 p.m.

Yeah that moment could be bad.

[Halsey]

Boo hoo poor Cleveland lost an NFL franchise for a few years. Never has a city had to overcome so much.

[Ness]

Originally Posted by Halsey

Boo hoo poor Cleveland lost an NFL franchise for a few years. Never has a city had to overcome so much.

I think it's the fact that Modell pretty much lied to the people of Cleveland and went back on his word. And at the time the people of Cleveland didn't know if they'd ever have their franchise back, who at the time had come off a winning season the previous year. Then that same team goes on to become a winning franchise in Baltimore.

Obviously there are bigger things in life than losing a football team, but you could say that about a lot of things that people might be passionate about.

[Halsey]

Originally Posted by Ness

I think it's the fact that Modell pretty much lied to the people of Cleveland and went back on his word. And at the time the people of Cleveland didn't know if they'd ever have their franchise back, who at the time had come off a winning season the previous year.

Man, that is so sad. Cleveland fans should stay bitter at a dead guy about it. Maybe he'll rise from the grave and give them a heart felt apology and an extra third rounder in the 2015 Draft.

[Raiderz4Life]

Lmao one of the few times Halsey doesn't make me smh

[WinslowBodden]

Originally Posted by Halsey

Man, that is so sad. Cleveland fans should stay bitter at a dead guy about it. Maybe he'll rise from the grave and give them a heart felt apology and an extra third rounder in the 2015 Draft.

What the **** are you even saying? Just because he is dead means the fans cannot dislike him?

You're right, now that he is dead all of the Cleveland fans that had a dislike for him should start celebrating his life and loving him.

There is a difference between celebrating the death of the man (which only the classless idiots will do) and being indifferent and not letting it impact your day one way or the other or even caring.

I don't like what Modell did, it was stupid as **** but Cleveland wasn't giving him a new stadium so I understand it a bit. However, I am not gonna celebrate his life or his death, which is how many people in Cleveland are going to feel about it, and in all honesty a moment of silence would be a bad idea for Cleveland because it will just blow up with boos from all the people who are drunk at the time and think its funny at the time to say **** Modell.

[niel89]

I'd feel worse for Cleveland if they didn't get another team pretty quickly.

[Brodeur]

Art Modell is a greedy prick, and robbed the Browns of a potential Super Bowl team. But yes, the Browns should forgive him because he died even though he's still an asshole in death.

[Raiderz4Life]

Damn and you ain't even a Browns fan haha

[Ness]

Originally Posted by Halsey

Man, that is so sad. Cleveland fans should stay bitter at a dead guy about it. Maybe he'll rise from the grave and give them a heart felt apology and an extra third rounder in the 2015 Draft.

Well I'm not sure how you would want Browns fans to act. They certainly aren't going to be sympathetic as far as his tenure in Cleveland is concerned. Nor should they be.

[Ness]

Interesting tidbit from another forum I frequent:

Had he stayed in Cleveland, he would have been in the HOF years ago. The animosity toward him was (and to a large extent, still is) so virulent that any HOF ceremony involving him would have been drowned out in boos from Browns fans--especially since Canton is only an hour away from Cleveland. I recall the 1996 festivities (the first after the move) had about 100 people chanting, which unnerved Paul Tagliabue enough that he lost his train of thought at one point. The late Pete Pihos was among the HOFers there, and disgusted by the shouting, turned to the protesters and hollered, "Oh, shut up, already."

[Babylon]

Ozzie Newsome and Jim Brown liked him, he couldn't have been that bad.