New York Giants Discussion - Page 255

Forenci · 09-10-2012, 01:28 AM

I mean, that's true, but that was also Spags first coordinator job. I feel like he should know how to adjust far quicker to a new team.

I'm not saying I'm rooting for the Redskins or that we'll never beat them again. I fully expect to beat them when we play. I'm just saying he's a fantastic player with a unique skill set so defending him will be a challenge.

It's just too bad. If he went to any other team out of the NFC East I would have probably been rooting hard for him.

bigbluedefense · 09-10-2012, 06:50 AM

Why didn't we draft Stephen Hill again?......

Giantsfan1080 · 09-10-2012, 07:46 AM

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Why didn't we draft Stephen Hill again?......

Probably thought he was too dumb to fit our system.

Jughead10 · 09-10-2012, 07:50 AM

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Probably thought he was too dumb to fit our system.

I don't think he's dumb. He went to G Tech, they don't normally bend the rules too much for talented players. Especially WRs who aren't asked to catch. But his learning curve is stacked against him. He blocked for 50+ plays every week in college. It would be like going form 1+1=2 to advanced calculus.

I also think we liked Randle better regardless. There was talk that we could have taken him instead of Wilson in round 1. When both Hill and Randle were available.

Giantsfan1080 · 09-10-2012, 07:59 AM

Well Hill is still who I wanted but we'll see how he does throughout the year.

Giantsfan1080 · 09-10-2012, 10:28 AM

Good news: Prince and Austin back at practice today.
Bad news: Phillips and Rivers sat.

Giantsfan1080 · 09-10-2012, 10:49 AM

Phillips sat back because of his back. Coughlin said he'll practice tomorrow. Prince is optimistic about playing Sunday.

LonghornsLegend · 09-10-2012, 11:08 AM

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Why didn't we draft Stephen Hill again?......

Just guessing, but it seems likely that even if you guys had taken Hill you would have sat him down anyway just like Randle seeing as he was much more raw and rough around the edges. Hard to tell how good players are unless you throw them out there. Hill had a brutal pre-season, but he's the starter by default, gave him some chances to make some plays out there and he made the most of them. Randle may have done the same thing, but he didn't even get into the game.

With the mistakes Hill was making through August, Coughlin probably wouldn't have trusted him in a game situation for some time. I like Randle better personally, but also realize that in Hill if he's coached up properly and he develops he's got insane upside. Classic swing for the fences pick, nobody would be surprised in the least bit if he ended up flaming out of the league all together but he's got a skill set that could make him a terror for DB's.

From what I saw though, he was just out there making plays. Route running, catching with his hands, learning how to read coverages, all needs a ton of work still. But when guys are an athlete, just give them a chance. That's what I felt Coughlin should have done with Randle on Wednesday.

Rosebud · 09-10-2012, 11:14 AM

We know, BBD's even warmed many of us that weren't Randle fans up to him. But Stephen Hill would've been so amazing once we'd gotten to polish him.

Jughead10 · 09-10-2012, 11:30 AM

Hill also doesn't have Nicks and Cruz in front of him.

Giantsfan1080 · 09-10-2012, 12:09 PM

But that also could have helped him since he would have seen worse CB's and he can learn slowly instead of being thrown right into the fire.

Giantsfan1080 · 09-10-2012, 12:37 PM

I'm actually a little nervous with what Schiano is going to throw at us defensively. We already can't run the ball and look at what he just did to Carolina's running game. Eli is going to have to carry us in this one.

scottyboy · 09-10-2012, 12:43 PM

and I hope Gilbride knows that. Let's open up the ******* playbook and attack their corners. Cruz knows he caught a lot of **** (about all he caught) for last game and nicks is another week healthier. Let's pick on their weak corners and let Eli do what Eli does

Giantsfan1080 · 09-10-2012, 12:47 PM

I agree but Schiano also does an excellent job with the DB's. Barron is going to be a stud under his tutelage.

scottyboy · 09-10-2012, 12:52 PM

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I agree but Schiano also does an excellent job with the DB's. Barron is going to be a stud under his tutelage.

I agree, but for now, their secondary is weak, especially at corner and I think it's something we could (and should) exploit

Giantsfan1080 · 09-10-2012, 12:56 PM

It's our strength, their weakness so yeah I would hope the offensive coaching staff realizes it. Schiano likes to blitz a lot also so maybe we can catch them on a few.

D-Unit · 09-10-2012, 01:28 PM

Gotta give Schiano credit for jumping you guys for Doug Martin too. I know your FO said they liked Wilson more, but personally I don't know if that's the truth. I never thought that and I know most had Martin ahead of Wilson too.

But I agree with LL. I don't think Coughlin would've given Hill the same opportunity and I don't think WR was your biggest need. I was afraid you'd take Janoris Jenkins, Courtney Upshaw, Devon Still, Jerel Worthy, or Konz.

I personally don't think 1st round picks should be spent on RB unless they are a top 10 pick type RB.

Giantsfan1080 · 09-10-2012, 01:38 PM

We definitely had Wilson rated higher than Martin.

D-Unit · 09-10-2012, 04:22 PM

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We definitely had Wilson rated higher than Martin.

Not arguing that that's what they've said. ...and if true, I think it will appear wrong not before long.

We'll see though. I also think Tampa kind of panicked in trading up for him.

I thought Robert Turbin would've been the best fit for you guys. The best replacement for Jacobs and the best compliment to Bradshaw.

BaLLiN · 09-10-2012, 05:36 PM

I don't know why everyone has given up on Wilson already, but I am still very optimistic.

Anyway, Joe Haden has been suspended 4 games for PEDs. Wanna know whats crazy? Instead of being suspended for the first 4 games of the season, he played against the Eagles and now is suspended for weeks 2-5. Who is their week 5 matchup? Us :)

Wootylicous · 09-10-2012, 05:39 PM

David Wilson will be a stud. Also, I dislike Bradshaw so much :/

Legacy · 09-10-2012, 06:22 PM

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Let's pick on their weak corners and let Eli do what Eli does

Weak corners? Aqib Talib and Eric Wright aren't exactly weak. If you're looking solely at Cam Newton's passing numbers from yesterday I suppose it would look that way, though you need to consider that the Bucs completely sold out on stopping the run.

As for the David Wilson/Doug Martin debate, I'm happy with how Doug Martin has performed so far, but I think it's far too early to tell whether or not Wilson's ball control issues will carry over from college. As a Bucs fan, I remember that Cadillac Williams looked like he was heading for a Hall of Fame career after his first four regular season games (and his first full season, actually). Things can change, though I am happy that the Bucs have Martin.

I'm really looking forward to this game, as I'm interested in seeing whether or not the defensive effort against the Panthers was an anomaly. (I hope not.) The Giants have a more versatile offense than the Panthers, so it'll be interesting to see what Schiano and Sheridan cook up, especially since both Bucs coordinators have inside experience with the Giants.

I don't think the Bucs will win, but I do hope they'll keep it close. I can't take any more blowout losses like the team incurred over the last two-thirds of last season... Yesterday gave me hope that Schiano has this team back on the road to respectability, so I guess we'll see.

Anyway, here's to a clean, injury-free game next weekend, and I hope you Rutgers fans don't have too much difficulty rooting against your former coach.

scottyboy · 09-10-2012, 06:26 PM

Talib and Wright aren't exactly what you'd call strong. And compared to your run D, the corners are easily the weakness of the team at this point

Legacy · 09-10-2012, 06:39 PM

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Talib and Wright aren't exactly what you'd call strong. And compared to your run D, the corners are easily the weakness of the team at this point

I'm not prepared to call any position on this defense a strength yet. Yeah, they defended the run well against Carolina, but this is a team that was dead last in rush defense (156 YPG) and several other categories last season.

As far as Talib and Wright go, they're not fantastic, but they've done well enough in what they've been asked to do so far, so I suppose we'll see. I will say that Talib is far too much of a gambler for my liking.

Also, if the Bucs have one weakness that stands out, it's definitely the right side of the offensive line. Davin Joseph being out for the year means that Ted Larsen is the starting RG and Jeremy Trueblood, who sucks out loud, is the RT. I expect the Giants to bring the heat on that side and the Bucs do do what they did against the Panthers: Run to the left behind Carl Nicks and Donald Penn.

NY+Giants=NYG · 09-10-2012, 08:17 PM

Packers' Jarrett Bush says 49ers 'really didn't beat us'
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...content_stream

LOL. Looks like the packers team is in denial when teams beat them.

Green Bay Packers’ Clay Matthews: Giants Didn’t Beat Us in the Playoffs, We Beat Ourselves

http://www.giants101.com/2012/08/08/...eat-ourselves/