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Old 09-08-2012, 11:57 PM    (permalink
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I'm not a fan of Landry Jones at all. Not at all. I'd take Manuel 10 times out of 10.
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I will go neither, please. Is that an option Scott?
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Manuel is bigger, stronger, faster, and has played in a system NFL teams love. This isn't even a debate.
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Manuel is bigger, stronger, faster, and has played in a system NFL teams love. This isn't even a debate.
and has proven ... absolutely nothing. EJ still riding the hype train
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EJ is by no means an NFL QB at this stage, he is just not a good passer.

He can throw the ball, but possess no timing ability and is woefully inaccurate. He and Tebow are the biggest reasons why you can't trust completion %. FSU rarely lets him throw in the middle of the field, most if his throws are corner routes or bubble screens. And he routinely throws it behind and at guys feet. The number of huge plays that we could have if he would hit guys in stride that end up being nothing really frustrate me. He lofts every ball, even against terrible teams he tries to guide the ball in. He would get pick 6'ed so much in the NFL with that crap. His pocket awareness is pretty poor too, he tries to spin out of the rush all the time, usually just losing more yardage.

That said, he's an above average college QB because he's big and athletic, and is a leader. He can look average all game and then lead a game winning drive, extending plays with his athleticism and ability to shake tacklers. But his flaws are definitely covered up in our offense with alot of short throws to an insanely deep WR corps.

And even still I have other opinions about him, as FSU's o-line has been poor during his career, and maybe Jimbo puts too much pressure on him with the types of throws he can make. He could be a great passer if he would just be let loose, but I tend to doubt it. Thats why sometimes I wish we would just go 5 Wide and let him sling the ball around.
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and has proven ... absolutely nothing. EJ still riding the hype train
3-0 in bowl games proves nothing I guess. Leading a team from 14-0 in a bowl game with a broken fibula proves nothing either.
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homer pick, but neither and go with geno smith over both
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One thing I noticed with EJ is while he throws he generates no torque from his core and the ball comes out with no snap/zip. It kinda pisses me off a lot.
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One thing I noticed with EJ is while he throws he generates no torque from his core and the ball comes out with no snap/zip. It kinda pisses me off a lot.
This was worked on extensively with a private QB coach in the offseason.
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I hope I see it soon, has not seen much of it this season
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I hope I see it soon, has not seen much of it this season
TD pass to Greg Dent had some zip on it.

He has improved dramatically in taking care of the ball.
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I am eager to see both Jones and Manuel go up against quality competition instead of the early season cupcakes. I am hoping Wake pulls an upset of FSU once again this weekend!!!
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TD pass to Greg Dent had some zip on it.

He has improved dramatically in taking care of the ball.
No need to be a homer, he hasn't proved that he's improved anything this year. We've played horrible teams and he's played about 3 quarters.

He has the arm strength, but tries to hard to loft balls in spaces instead of just firing them. He made atleast 2 throws against Murray St that should have been picked off. Unfortunately EJ is what he is at this point. Luckily he's a good all around athlete and leader.
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Not sure myself how either is better than Wilson or Smith, much less Ryan Nassib, who I would also put over Manual and Jones myself. I dont think either has the mental capabilities right now to be in the top three, but if I have to put one over the other right now its Jones who I think is more accurate and has better "arm talent". Would love to have seen Manual play a real team this year, to see if his off-season work has paid off, because I could easily be swayed his way on this. Tough call when differentiating the two right now.
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Private QB coach? Is that allowed in NCAA?

Anyways, I honestly wouldn't take either one. Neither have shown me that they would be anything more than a somewhat competent college quarterback.
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Anyways, I honestly wouldn't take either one. Neither have shown me that they would be anything more than a somewhat competent college quarterback.
It was done pretty publicly, so I can't imagine there is a rule against it. Since the Maryland game in 2011 Manuel hasn't thrown an INT that was his fault and has taken care of the football. Against a good Notre Dame defense he tore them apart in the second half of the bowl game. Like Ponder before him he will be a first round pick.
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Most QB's who want to be in the NFL go to these guys in the offseason.
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E.J. Manuel in the first round? Righttttttttttttttt
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Being "mobile" also leads you to being exposed to more hits. NFL offenses are more or less geared to delivering the ball to your play makers in space. There are so many more important traits than mobility when it comes to being a QB: intelligence, arm accuracy, arm strength, pocket awareness, ability to move within the pocket while keeping your eyes down field and then I would put mobility in their. All QBs have at the very least functional mobility anyway. It is a nice trait to have but not one completely necessary and like I said people get boner's about QB 40 times which are more useful in video games than real games.

I would take Andrew Luck as the prime example - the thing that really sticks out with him is how he moves around in the pocket - stands tall and delivers the ball downfield - not his 4.6 40 time which is nice for sure but not vital.
Funnily enough I don't think Luck runs enough. I caught his game last week - time and again he could have taken off for a 5/6/7 yard gain when nothing was on. Instead he tried to throw into tight coverage.

As for the actual thread - Landry, but honestly I wouldn't want either.
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Big matchups this week for both of these players. Great head to head QB matchups - Manuel vs Boyd and Jones vs Klein.

I am hoping Klein has a big game - He has potential to shoot up draft boards much like Griffin and Newton have done the past two seasons. He has refined his mechanics and improved in the passing game - if he can put together a strong season passing the ball I think he will jump from a late round pick to a 2nd-3rd rounder and get a bump in the Heisman race.
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The more film I watch on geno smith the more I want to bump him up to the top qb prospect in 2013.
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Big matchups this week for both of these players. Great head to head QB matchups - Manuel vs Boyd and Jones vs Klein.

I am hoping Klein has a big game - He has potential to shoot up draft boards much like Griffin and Newton have done the past two seasons. He has refined his mechanics and improved in the passing game - if he can put together a strong season passing the ball I think he will jump from a late round pick to a 2nd-3rd rounder and get a bump in the Heisman race.
I agree, I mentioned that in the offseason and it basically got laughed off but he has some serious potential if he is developed correctly.
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I agree, I mentioned that in the offseason and it basically got laughed off but he has some serious potential if he is developed correctly.
I do not know why he is not being talked about more to be honest. He is a really underrated prospect. He is a big strong athletic QB - granted he is raw and learning the nuances of the passing game but if he makes a really noticeable jump teams will have to take notice. He dedicated his offseason to improving his mechanics. KSU does not throw the ball much but I think some team is going to see a kid who has a good head on his shoulders, athletic and is a well respected team leader. He is also like 6'5 230 and will prob run in the 4.6 range.
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I do not know why he is not being talked about more to be honest. He is a really underrated prospect. He is a big strong athletic QB - granted he is raw and learning the nuances of the passing game but if he makes a really noticeable jump teams will have to take notice. He dedicated his offseason to improving his mechanics. KSU does not throw the ball much but I think some team is going to see a kid who has a good head on his shoulders, athletic and is a well respected team leader. He is also like 6'5 230 and will prob run in the 4.6 range.
Knock will always be that he is more apt to tuck and run after his initial reads rather then letting his routes develop down field. Also the read option K-State runs isn't heavy on getting the recievers vertical, so he doesn't get the chance to wing the ball down the field like RGIII and Cam did.

I think he is a much better prospect the Tebow for sure and actually has a chance to be a decent starter down the road.
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