New York Giants Discussion

[Forenci]

Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

Terrell Thomas had a 3rd ACL surgery today.

Poor guy. I know he's done with football but at this point his knees will probably be ruined his entire life. That sucks.

[bigbluedefense]

Originally Posted by NY+Giants=NYG

I disagree. I think it system specific. I am only talking about our system. I could careless about the other systems and their spread like nature. All I know is that we NEED OL. It's perfectly rated for us, or under rated in our system. We have been spoiled with a god like OL for a lot of Coughlin's tenure.

Perhaps some of you remember the S.. Show of a OL that took place with Fasshole's tenure, specifically that 4-12 season that led us to draft very early due.

We need an excellent OL. And I will tell you why. IN our system, specifically the passing system, we run 5 and 7 passing concepts where the QB and skill player need to be on the same page. That takes.. you guessed it! TIME! We need Eli to get his time so he can get an accurate post snap read. If he rushed, and throws the ball, then he that's a very risky thing because now you he is hoping, no.. praying the skill player is where he is. That can lead to ints and god knows what else.

But wait! Coughlin has this boner for balance! So now we have to be able to run the ball and be able to do things like kill a whole quarter if we have the lead, because the old man and Gilbride feel like it's against their religion to pound a team on the scoreboard. Also, we want our OL to be versatile too! Christ why not have them grow wings and fly too while we are at it. So now the OL have to be able to learn and play other positions just in case we need to play musical OL. I am still now done though! We now need that OL to be mobile and move around so that we can run very concepts like Toss, power, G, and Power G with a counter step by the RB.

We need our OL to be elite or god like. To tell you the truth if Coughlin had his way and if we were successful running the ball, I think he would run all day and screw the pass. You see him trying to do that at the goal line! Sorry old man, our OL isn't like it used to so, you better be able to have Eli throw in the red zone and 50 times a game if need be!

So within our framework of our system, OL isn't over rated at all! Not in the least bit! We need our OL to be that much better just to run our offense.

We had the worst OL in the league last year and won the SB. OL is overrated.

I'm not saying we shouldn't upgrade, but or formula for success is well documented.

I want a db or de in round 1 unless an OL talent on the board blows me away.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

We had the worst OL in the league last year and won the SB. OL is overrated.

I'm not saying we shouldn't upgrade, but or formula for success is well documented.

I want a db or de in round 1 unless an OL talent on the board blows me away.

Yeah we did, but winning the super bowl has nothing to do with our OL, but more with Eli evading the rush. And when he couldn't he got sacked. It was that simple. Eli was the most pressured QB, and yet we didn't lead the league in sacks. Eli gets rid of the ball or evades the incoming pass rush.

The formula of success was build in the EA era with Reese has the director college scouting. We drafted Snee and D.D., and signed everyone else. Like you said with money getting low, it's not like we can catch lightning in a bottle again and sign guys who can be near pro bowl level guys in O'hara and Rich S. We also signed K. M at RT too. So I am not relying on that method.

We need to build from within. Someone on BBI was in awe of the niners OL. I said well they better be good because they invested 3 first rounders in their OL. I like how the Steelers do that too. If Ben didn't hold the ball for hours they would be better than they are.

We need to invest in our OL. It's that simple, either spend the money, or draft. I want that done in the first round.

[scottyboy]

it's a shame TT's knees like exploded because now CB is a need again. If not for that, we could really focus heavily on OL and DE early in next years draft

[bigbluedefense]

And if Prince winds up being a bust, then we're really screwed. I have a bad feeling about Webster this year too. I feel like age is gonna hit him this year.

CB is our biggest need on defense right now.

WE SHOULD HAVE DRAFTED JIMMY SMITH!!! :(

We'd be set.

[Giantsfan1080]

I hope when Coughlin & Co. were studying Schiano that they noticed Logan Ryan this week!!

[bucfan12]

Hey giants fans,

Here's to hoping we see a good game. As a buc fan I hope the bucs pull this one out and start 2-0

However realistically I think the giants win this one. I think te bucs bring their A game but some inexperienced play calls show up with our rookie defensive leaders show up. Offensively containing JPP Tuck and Osi will be difficult. They'll look to dominate trueblood and Larsen all day.

Predictions: 24-17 giants.

[scottyboy]

Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

I hope when Coughlin & Co. were studying Schiano that they noticed Logan Ryan this week!!

lock. down. corner.

and khaseem, Boley's eventual replacement. Our future LB corps will be Williams-Herz-Khaseem

yeah

[Giantsfan1080]

Need to go get some napkins.....

[Jughead10]

Originally Posted by Forenci

Poor guy. I know he's done with football but at this point his knees will probably be ruined his entire life. That sucks.

He should just not get the surgery at this point and retire.

[Giantsfan1080]

Originally Posted by Jughead10

He should just not get the surgery at this point and retire.

He already had it.

[Jughead10]

Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

He already had it.

He's fooling himself.

[Giantsfan1080]

Originally Posted by Jughead10

He's fooling himself.

Hixon and Davis. You know these guys are so competitive they think they can always play.

[Giantsfan1080]

Uggh Rivers is doubtful for Sunday. I guess he won't stay healthy here either.

[Giantsfan1080]

Prince and Nicks questionable. Ojomo out. Everyone else probable or playing.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

I was on a few TB Bucs message boards reading. And I think they are hoping for the beast. They think we are beatable, which we 100% are. They feel Barber and Wright can contain Cruz and Nicks. Obviously they are worried about Freeman and our DL attacking him. They are concerned about Trueblood and Larsen, I think his name is.

It's interesting but a lot think Eli can throw 2-3 INTs and they are very much in it. One guy called him an Int machine. So I think they expect 2005 Eli to be a contributing factor in helping them win.

[bigbluedefense]

My concern is Nicks is not healthy and quite frankly, ineffective right now. We have no 3rd WR threat emerging, which just allows defenses to lock into Cruz and take him away, and play press on the outside and contain our outside WRs. So Eli has no where to throw.

Plus our run game sucks. So when you take all of that into account, Eli is in trouble.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

My concern is Nicks is not healthy and quite frankly, ineffective right now. We have no 3rd WR threat emerging, which just allows defenses to lock into Cruz and take him away, and play press on the outside and contain our outside WRs. So Eli has no where to throw.

Plus our run game sucks. So when you take all of that into account, Eli is in trouble.

Well we have WRs, if we are developing them correctly, then this should not be as much as an issue. Hixon is the invisible one out there. Except for that big gain, he was invisible out there.

If Nicks can't go, put Hixon at X, R.R. or Barden at Z, and keep Cruz at H/F.

We still have JJ as well for 4 wide sets. We can bring in Wilson and see what he can do in the passing game too.

It may not be the most confidence instilling idea, but these guys made the team, so use them. See what they can do, and trust that we kept them for a reason. If they stink, then next year they don't make the team.

Next man up, if Nicks can't go.

And if we can't run the ball, I'd like if we stop the balance non sense and throw the ball. If we insist on balance, than play aggressively in the red zone. Put the ball in Eli's hands and let him make a play for once. Let's not run the damn ball twice in a row, when prior to that we did nothing in establishing the run.

[BaLLiN]

I honestly dont get why we never run 4 wr sets with either 1 RB or 1 TE. We're not a WCO, but we need to have something like that so defenses can't double nicks and cruz

[BamaFalcon59]

CB won't be a need with Hosley locking down 2/3 of the field. Be at ease.

[Legacy]

Looks like Eric LeGrand will be doing the coin toss.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/nfl/s...oss/57770524/1

[Caddy]

I hope you are all ready for Freesus! :)

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Trueblood is inactive, some guy who never played I think is starting at RT! LOL. Osi and JPP have to take adv. of that situation.

[Caddy]

Originally Posted by NY+Giants=NYG

Trueblood is inactive, some guy who never played I think is starting at RT! LOL. Osi and JPP have to take adv. of that situation.

If you ask Bucs fans most of them would rather Dotson start... Trust me. Trueblood is worse in pass protection than Dotson. Dotson has played before btw.

[BaLLiN]

Honestly, I do not know what to expect on either side of the ball this game. We did a very good job of containing Murray except for 2 runs. And on offense we didn't look good at all. That was the opposite of what i thought would happen against dallas, so...on to tampa.