Week 4 Discussion Thread

[SuperPacker]

Meh, i'm not mad at the refs. Or at Roger Goodell. I ain't even mad!

Obviously the situation sucks, but it is what it is.

[WCH]

My first reaction when I saw it was that it was simultaneous possession, but I didn't properly understand the rule. Having read the rule and seen the replay (not even the fancy sports science replay in the link, just the regular replay) you'd have be nearly ******** to not agree that it's not a touchdown after watching the replay.

Rule 8 - Section 3 - Article 1 - Item 5: Simultaneous Catch. If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers. It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control. If the ball is muffed after simultaneous touching by two such players, all the players of the passing team become eligible to catch the loose ball.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1k5TtvrQCE

Now, whether or not I would have overturned the call if I were the replay official, I don't know. It's easy to say that it's indisputable video evidence, but we've had two days to think about and analyze this. The replay official had two minutes. The "safe" call is to stick with the ruling on the field and let those replacement refs take all the blame.

[SolidGold]

Originally Posted by vidae

Here you go Stephen A. Smith:

that was great

[Ness]

I love this commercial.

[BeerBaron]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...fame-nominees/

HoF nominee list is out.

Some highlights:

Last year’s 10 finalists who missed the cut and return to the ballot include running back Jerome Bettis, wide receivers Tim Brown, Cris Carter and Andre Reed, guard Will Shields, defensive end Charles Haley, linebacker Kevin Greene, cornerback Aeneas Williams along with Bill Parcells and Ed DeBartolo, Jr.

The other first-year eligible nominees also include quarterback Steve McNair, running back Priest Holmes, wide Receiver Keenan McCardell, center Tom Nalen, defensive tackles Sam Adams and Ted Washington and defensive end Bryant Young.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Strahan and Parcells!

[njx9]

i'd love to see nalen get in, but canton hates denver, so whatever.

[BigBanger]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeDan17

If you're serious,

per wikipedia: fictional character produced by the Japanese company Sanrio, first designed by Yuko Shimizu. She is portrayed as a female white Japanese bobtail cat with a red bow.[1] The character's first appearance on an item, a vinyl coin purse, was introduced in Japan in 1974 and brought to the United States in 1976.

Yeah, so does she hate blacks? I'm trying to find the racist angle. Or what makes it "uncomfortable".

I don't even know why he brought up Nawrocki. Just to talk about a Jew... I was completely lost. Through the whole segment. Just, lost.

[SuperPacker]

Originally Posted by BigBanger

Yeah, so does she hate blacks? I'm trying to find the racist angle. Or what makes it "uncomfortable".

I don't even know why he brought up Nawrocki. Just to talk about a Jew... I was completely lost. Through the whole segment. Just, lost.

There is no racist angle. His argument is complete ********.

[WCH]

I'd also love to see Nalen get in. He was the best at his position for a good chunk of his career.

I wouldn't be surprised if Chris Carter is the only one of those three WRs who gets in. I think Harrison, Bruce, and Holt should all be coming up in the next few years, and Brown and Reed will get bumped out of the queue.

I'd put Keenan McCardell's chances at about 0%.

[Grizzlegom]

Originally Posted by BigBanger

Yeah, so does she hate blacks? I'm trying to find the racist angle. Or what makes it "uncomfortable".

I don't even know why he brought up Nawrocki. Just to talk about a Jew... I was completely lost. Through the whole segment. Just, lost.

I asked some of my black friends and acquaintances if they found that picture offensive or racist in any way and none of them did, nor did they understand how it could be and in no way does that surprise me. Jamele Hill and Screamin A. Smith are put on the air solely to pull the racism card, especially when there isn't one to pull.

[BeerBaron]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-sundays-game/

Joe Mays' suspension has been upheld. He's out Sunday's game.

[njx9]

Originally Posted by WCH

I'd put Keenan McCardell's chances at about 0%.

granted i'm not super familiar with his career, but i found it odd that he was even mentioned, given that brown and carter are still not in.

Originally Posted by BeerBaron

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-sundays-game/

Joe Mays' suspension has been upheld. He's out Sunday's game.

i don't like that ruling. penalty? fine. at game speed, you couldn't really see it. but i don't get the suspension at all.

that said, this probably improves our defense.

[vidae]

Will Shields probably deserves to go in this year.

[BeerBaron]

Originally Posted by njx9

granted i'm not super familiar with his career, but i found it odd that he was even mentioned, given that brown and carter are still not in.

Dunno. He's actually head of Isaac Bruce and Jimmy Smith in receptions. Had one of those quietly productive careers.

But with the bias against receivers, none of those 3 I mentioned there are getting in.

[Grizzlegom]

Maybe this is the year one of the WRs breaks through. I still think all three of them deserve to be in.

[njx9]

Originally Posted by BeerBaron

Dunno. He's actually head of Isaac Bruce and Jimmy Smith in receptions. Had one of those quietly productive careers.

But with the bias against receivers, none of those 3 I mentioned there are getting in.

i dunno, i'd make the same case against those stats as i did against curtis martin (and we see how much effect that had). playing for 47 years and never being in the top five, let alone being the best, just shouldn't qualify you for anything. but the nfl hasn't seen fit to add me to the selection committee yet.

[BeerBaron]

Originally Posted by njx9

i dunno, i'd make the same case against those stats as i did against curtis martin (and we see how much effect that had). playing for 47 years and never being in the top five, let alone being the best, just shouldn't qualify you for anything. but the nfl hasn't seen fit to add me to the selection committee yet.

Didn't Curtis Martin actually lead the league in rushing a time or two though? I think he had more of a case than some of these 2nd tier WRs at least.

But it's ok, we all just need to wait for Hines Ward to become eligible. His highly productive career, multiple Superbowl victories, charismatic personality and hard nosed play style will get him in first ballot. Surely. And he deserves it too. Seriously. Why don't you believe me? He deserves it. Really. Seriously.

[njx9]

he's a steeler. deserve it or not, he'll get in.

[Giantsfan1080]

Why no Strahan on that list?

[BucSquad]

Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

Why no Strahan on that list?

He's listed at the top of the article with the bigger names for 1st year eligibility, like sapp!

[BeerBaron]

Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

Why no Strahan on that list?

Yeah, I forgot to copy the first paragraph.

[Giantsfan1080]

Strahan, Sapp, and Ogden 1st ballot guys?

[jrdrylie]

Ogden was one of the best tackles I watched growing up and Sapp was THE BEST defensive tackles I watched growing up, so they should be locks. Strahan is 5th in career sacks, so you would think he would get in. But Kevin Greene has 18.5 sacks more than Strahan and he hasn't been elected yet so who knows.

[themaninblack]

If Ward goes in the HOF on the first ballot then the whole thing is just a sham.