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Old 09-28-2012, 03:31 PM    (permalink
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Manuel's going to end up having a Heisman campaign IMO, and he has all the protoype measurables of a top QB prospect.
he is going to have a heisman campaign based on his schedule and his defense, him being considered has nothing to do with his own skills, hell, he isnt even the best qb on his own team
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he is going to have a heisman campaign based on his schedule and his defense, him being considered has nothing to do with his own skills, hell, he isnt even the best qb on his own team


He is 6'5, 240 lbs, has a good arm, and is currently the ACC's all time leader in career completion percentage. On top of that he's run a pro style offense under a coach who has produced multiple NFL draft picks. On top of this, he is tough as demonstrated by playing the second half of a bowl game with a broken leg.

Clint Trickett has a stronger arm, but that is about it. Down the road Jameis Winston will probably be a better NFL prospect, but it's impossible to say for sure as a true freshman.
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Only USC fans would believe this. With the talent he had he was below average as an OC at USC, then completely ruined Jamarcus Russell in the NFL, now we see Matt Barkley regress as a Senior.
You have no clue as to what the **** you are talking about right now.
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I wouldn't be sir prized if he passed McCoy on the depth chart. I think he might have a better arm and accurate arm then him from the highlights I thought. He also got some wheels too help us prepare for QB's as Wilson , RG3 and other runners etc.
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Only USC fans would believe this. With the talent he had he was below average as an OC at USC, then completely ruined Jamarcus Russell in the NFL, now we see Matt Barkley regress as a Senior.
What does Russel being a lazy fat lard have anything to do with Kiffin?
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What does Russel being a lazy fat lard have anything to do with Kiffin?
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I wouldn't be sir prized if he passed McCoy on the depth chart. I think he might have a better arm and accurate arm then him from the highlights I thought. He also got some wheels too help us prepare for QB's as Wilson , RG3 and other runners etc.
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What does Russel being a lazy fat lard have anything to do with Kiffin?
So player motivation has nothing to do with being an NFL HC? He never had those issues under the combination of Saban, Fisher, and Miles at LSU and put up tremendous numbers in a defense first conference.
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So player motivation has nothing to do with being an NFL HC? He never had those issues under the combination of Saban, Fisher, and Miles at LSU and put up tremendous numbers in a defense first conference.
Because he was just flat out better than anyone else. The guy was still a fat, lazy **** in college.

Oh I forgot Jimbo was one of his coaches, thats why he was so good at LSU. **** me right?
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I wouldn't be sir prized if he passed McCoy on the depth chart. I think he might have a better arm and accurate arm then him from the highlights I thought. He also got some wheels too help us prepare for QB's as Wilson , RG3 and other runners etc.
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I'm sorry, but you lost all credibility when you said the bold part.
I laughed when I read that, too. Quite the leap to say any one person "ruined" a young player who couldn't quit getting busted, didn't really like football and had a higher BMI than some of his offensive linemen. There are certainly QBs whose situations put them at a huge disadvantage and make you wonder what their careers would've looked like had they landed in better spots (David Carr?), but JaMarcus is the quintessential example of a player simply not being suited to play in the NFL. Just a frickin' monstrous dude with a monstrous arm. Wasn't much more to Russell than that. If you want, you could ding Kiffin a little for not putting more support around Russell, or the Raiders organization as a whole for being dysfunctional and fostering an environment better suited for cultivating players' egos than their skills, but he certainly didn't ruin JaMarcus Russell.
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But to tie that back into the thread - you can't say "Kiffin didn't motivate NFL Russell." Just doesn't work. Whatever kind of coach Kiffin is, Russell's problems started with himself. Russell couldn't be motivated to try to make a successful NFL career; after he got paid, it was essentially a shrug of the shoulders for him. "I got paid. I'm done."

Barkley has all the motivation in the world right now. He knows full well he's playing to be the number one pick, and you don't hear things about how Barkley doesn't have his head in it. He does - he's just not putting up the same kind of numbers that he did last year. So it's a question of whether he can make that step everyone expects him to take, the step you expect from someone you'd draft to lead an NFL offense, and he hasn't taken it. He's put up stats, but he doesn't look like he's getting better. Having a great season at USC doesn't transfer to the NFL. That's just how it goes. It's exactly the reason Jevon Snead never had a career, despite being the number 1 overall pick in I-don't-know-how-many preseason mocks after his sophomore season. Producing as an underclassman catches the eye of scouts, but if a player is going to be drafted high, he better be showing you a little more every time you see him. He should always be reinforcing the idea that he can lead an NFL team. Even if he struggles, the scout should be saying, "But he's got that accuracy, he's got that anticipation, the defense fooled him bad that time, but now he's making better reads, etc." You don't just look at his stats and say, "Well, he was really good last year, and he must be regressing this year because his coach is ruining him just like he ruined JaMarcus Russell years ago."

...Huh?

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So player motivation has nothing to do with being an NFL HC? He never had those issues under the combination of Saban, Fisher, and Miles at LSU and put up tremendous numbers in a defense first conference.
The dude's life coach quit on him.
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The dude's life coach quit on him.
Ah! See? It wasn't Kiffin's fault at all. There real question here is...

...What in the world has happened to Matt Barkley's life coach?
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But to tie that back into the thread - you can't say "Kiffin didn't motivate NFL Russell." Just doesn't work. Whatever kind of coach Kiffin is, Russell's problems started with himself. Russell couldn't be motivated to try to make a successful NFL career; after he got paid, it was essentially a shrug of the shoulders for him. "I got paid. I'm done."

Barkley has all the motivation in the world right now. He knows full well he's playing to be the number one pick, and you don't hear things about how Barkley doesn't have his head in it. He does - he's just not putting up the same kind of numbers that he did last year. So it's a question of whether he can make that step everyone expects him to take, the step you expect from someone you'd draft to lead an NFL offense, and he hasn't taken it. He's put up stats, but he doesn't look like he's getting better. Having a great season at USC doesn't transfer to the NFL. That's just how it goes. It's exactly the reason Jevon Snead never had a career, despite being the number 1 overall pick in I-don't-know-how-many preseason mocks after his sophomore season. Producing as an underclassman catches the eye of scouts, but if a player is going to be drafted high, he better be showing you a little more every time you see him. He should always be reinforcing the idea that he can lead an NFL team. Even if he struggles, the scout should be saying, "But he's got that accuracy, he's got that anticipation, the defense fooled him bad that time, but now he's making better reads, etc." You don't just look at his stats and say, "Well, he was really good last year, and he must be regressing this year because his coach is ruining him just like he ruined JaMarcus Russell years ago."

...Huh?
When a player regresses his senior season as a 4th year starter and at least in theory the skill players around him have only improved, then the first issue to look at is the coaching the player is receiving as the reason for the drop off, especially once the level of competition he faces increases. The last 2 weeks he is 42/74, 446 yards, 2 TD, 4 INT, for a QB rating of 104.1. Not exactly the makings of a Top 10 pick.
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When a player regresses his senior season as a 4th year starter and at least in theory the skill players around him have only improved, then the first issue to look at is the coaching the player is receiving as the reason for the drop off, especially once the level of competition he faces increases. The last 2 weeks he is 42/74, 446 yards, 2 TD, 4 INT, for a QB rating of 104.1. Not exactly the makings of a Top 10 pick.
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I wouldn't be sir prized if he passed McCoy on the depth chart. I think he might have a better arm and accurate arm then him from the highlights I thought. He also got some wheels too help us prepare for QB's as Wilson , RG3 and other runners etc.
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Why are you blaming Barkley's coaching??? These are mostly the same coaches that helped him to steadily progress in his development since his freshman year.
As a senior should be when a QB who's started for 4 years actually needs LESS coaching, not more.

The season is still early. I expect Barkley to get back on his grind very soon.
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Ah! See? It wasn't Kiffin's fault at all. There real question here is...

...What in the world has happened to Matt Barkley's life coach?
The sad thing is, USC QBs are too busy being blown by ultra hot women to need life coaches.
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When a player regresses his senior season as a 4th year starter and at least in theory the skill players around him have only improved, then the first issue to look at is the coaching the player is receiving as the reason for the drop off, especially once the level of competition he faces increases. The last 2 weeks he is 42/74, 446 yards, 2 TD, 4 INT, for a QB rating of 104.1. Not exactly the makings of a Top 10 pick.
EJ Manuel plays in a dick conference and has played no team this season with anything resembling a quality defense. Barkley is a much better prospect than Manuel will ever be. Manuel's all the sudden being hyped due to one game - he does not play at a consistently high level.

I'm not worried about Barkley. He isn't regressing - he lost Kalil - his blindside protector and that offensive line has had trouble protecting him the past few weeks. Stanford was hitting him every chance they got and Cal has a pretty solid defense as well.

Someone mentioned Keith Price's struggles vs. Stanford were due to the offensive line not being able to protect him in the Keith Price thread yet no one seems to want to recognize that same issue might be why Barkley has struggled some.
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Barkley is very Tebow-esque, lol. Hes been dating a girl for like 7 years now, and I doubt they have even ******.
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When a player regresses his senior season as a 4th year starter and at least in theory the skill players around him have only improved, then the first issue to look at is the coaching the player is receiving as the reason for the drop off, especially once the level of competition he faces increases. The last 2 weeks he is 42/74, 446 yards, 2 TD, 4 INT, for a QB rating of 104.1. Not exactly the makings of a Top 10 pick.
So the fact that he's lost 3 key guys in his line had nothing to do with it? Interesting.
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Barkley is very Tebow-esque, lol. Hes been dating a girl for like 7 years now, and I doubt they have even ******.
If that is at all true he's doing it so, so, so wrong.
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If that is at all true he's doing it so, so, so wrong.
Yeah she goes to Seattle U, they both rock promise rings. My buddy at USC says that he constantly sees Barkley racing off from parties on his bike while a crowd of like 10 dimes chase him. (Doesnt drive a care anywhere)
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I wouldn't be sir prized if he passed McCoy on the depth chart. I think he might have a better arm and accurate arm then him from the highlights I thought. He also got some wheels too help us prepare for QB's as Wilson , RG3 and other runners etc.
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Yeah she goes to Seattle U, they both rock promise rings. My buddy at USC says that he constantly sees Barkley racing off from parties on his bike while a crowd of like 10 dimes chase him. (Doesnt drive a care anywhere)
A bike bike or motorcycle bike
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A bike bike or motorcycle bike
Like a mountain bike lol.
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A bike bike or motorcycle bike
He's got a promise ring on with a gf going to Seattle U...

It's probably a scooter.
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Matt Barkley

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Freshman: 57.3% for 1685 yards 10 TDs/ 9 INTs
Sophomore: 57.1% for 1349 yards 11 TDs/ 5 INTs
Junior: 62.6% for 3560 yards 35 TDs / 9 INTs
Senior: 54.7% for 2877 yards 23 TDs/ 18 INTs

College
Freshman: 59.9% for 2735 yards 15 TDs/ 14 INTs
Sophomore: 62.6% for 2791 yards 26 TDs/ 12 INTs
Junior: 69.1% for 3528 yards 39 TDs/ 7 INTs
Senior: 61.5 % for 1005 yards 12 TDs/ 5 INTs

Eerily similar.
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