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Old 09-24-2012, 12:47 PM    (permalink
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I probably could have scored TJ Graham's touchdown, but it's nice to see him getting more involved. Did well to follow his block on a screen and pick up a 3rd-and-9 heading into the redzone. Don't know how much deep ball action we'll get to see from him, but he's a growing piece of the offense.
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I appreciate you going back and looking up quotes from us to "prove" your point, but what you fail to do is notice how my stance changed on McClain leading up to the draft.

Just like any draftnik, my opinion on a player went from high, to low, to high, to in btw, to whatever by the time the draft came by. And while I was high on McClain at certain points, you'll see that I actually wound up rating Witherspoon higher than him, and soured on McClain. Not only that, but I made a thread in the NFL draft forum stating that Spikes was just as good as McClain.

And on top of that, leading up to the draft, I said I liked Brandon Graham and JPP. So taking certain quotes to make your point might look good on paper, you fail to show the entire picture of my opinion on the matter. Nor do you show my direct quotes after the draft when I was one of the few Giant fans on here who loved the pick.

These quotes are also unfair, because you don't know who you want in a draft until you see the draft unfold. The board changes as players go off the board. McClain was off the board before we even picked, so it's a moot point. He wasn't available.

The point of this collection of quotes is simply to illustrate that you were over-prioritizing a position that, in the end, proved to be unnecessary in the Giants defensive system.

You were all set to pick a MLB in the first round, and not only that, but to *trade* up for him. The Giants wouldn't be nearly as good on defense if they had traded up for a McClain or a Spikes instead of selecting a DE (JPP) when they already had two good ones on the roster (Osi & Tuck).
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Zeitler seemed to struggle in the run game along with the rest of the line, though he did look good in pass pro save one play where he seemed to get caught off balance.

Sanuuu threw a deep ball to AJ on the first play of the game out of the wildcat that was a thing of beauty. Didn't see him do much aside from that but damn that dude's got an arm on him. Must've been at least 40 yards in the air. Wondered why Marvin Jones was inactive but that was answered rather quickly.

This was probably Devon Still's best game so far. He has a lot of athletic ability but he just needs to learn how to use leverage more consistently. Had some nice pressures and didn't look terrible in the run game either.

Finally got to see Orson Charles with a nice 20 yd catch. They should really start to use two TE sets more often and get that guy out deep. He may struggle with blocking right now but he is a hell of a receiver and we need to utilize that.

Vontaze Burfict also looked pretty good out there. Had a couple solid tackles while splitting time with Vincent Rey. Really wish they would move him to MLB and get rid of Maualuga but that probably won't happen. In only his second game at OLB in his life he looked he knew what was going on out there.
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Chandler Jones looks very good for the Patriots so far. He looked like a game-changer at times against the Cardinals with his pass rushing ability. He does a nice job using his hands to fend off the opposing lineman. He didn't get as much pressure on Joe Flacco yesterday as a he had against Locker and Kolb in the weeks prior, but some of that was due to the fact that Michael Oher was taking advantage of the refs inability to correctly diagnose holding penalties. He looks like the first good defensive end the Patriots have drafted since Richard Seymour.
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None of the Pats'rookies looked great against the Ravens for differing reasons.

Jones actually ended up with 4 pressures against Flacco and a would be sack ruled out for a defensive holding penalty, however he looked slow off the snap at times and Oher done a pretty good job on him.

Hightower looked like he was thinking too much instead of reacting. On Ray Rice's TD run he didn't scrape over the top of the OG on the second level and got blown out of the play.

Wilson didn't get much snaps because the Pats were playing a lot of two deep early on and kept Kyle Love on the field a lot. Normally when Wilson comes in Love goes out and the Pats play 3 safeties with Wilson in a rover role. However the gameplan took them away from that scheme.

No other rookie was of note
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None of the Pats'rookies looked great against the Ravens for differing reasons.

Jones actually ended up with 4 pressures against Flacco and a would be sack ruled out for a defensive holding penalty, however he looked slow off the snap at times and Oher done a pretty good job on him.

Hightower looked like he was thinking too much instead of reacting. On Ray Rice's TD run he didn't scrape over the top of the OG on the second level and got blown out of the play.

Wilson didn't get much snaps because the Pats were playing a lot of two deep early on and kept Kyle Love on the field a lot. Normally when Wilson comes in Love goes out and the Pats play 3 safeties with Wilson in a rover role. However the gameplan took them away from that scheme.

No other rookie was of note

Chandler Jones had a huge sack in a crucial moment.

It was negated by a phantom holding call against Brandon Spikes. Should've been a 12 yard loss for the Ravens, instead they got an automatic first down.


Good thing the real refs are coming back
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Tannehill has made strides in the first month. He was only 1 yard shy of Cam's rookie record of passing yards in a game.

Jonathan Martin has settled in nicely to the RT spot

Lamar Miller should be our backup RB

Olivier Vernon comes in on passing downs, and gets okay pressure but nothing to right home about.

Michael Egnew has yet to play

Kheeston Randall comes in a lot on passing downs.
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Chandler Jones had a big 3rd down TFL one the first series and then had a sack.

Dont'a Hightower also had a sack early but left with a hammy.

Tavon Wilson looked better than Gregory when he was in the game and had a garbage time INT. He now has 4 turnovers through 4 weeks.

I think Bequette got a little garbage time work but didn't flash.

Nate Ebner was beat badly at one point
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Vontaze Burfict proving a lot of ppl wrong. Led Cincy with 8 solo tackles today, had 2 TFLs, a sack in a win.

*also had a nice pass breakup in man coverage vs. Blackmon
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To continue the AFC East Trend

Jets:

DE Quentin Coples had his best game of his career. Didn't do anything worth **** getting to the QB but had at least 3 TFL and was one of the few Jets who did anything worthwhile. Still has a long way to go.

WR Stephen Hill out with hammy

LB Demario Davis had a nice tackle but he's not starting and is not getting enough plays. Cannot be worse than what we have at LB on pass coverage in all honesty.

S Josh Bush didn't see the field

Altogether, this draft pretty much signifies that Mike Tannebaum our GM really has gotta go.
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To continue the AFC East Trend

Jets:

DE Quentin Coples had his best game of his career. Didn't do anything worth **** getting to the QB but had at least 3 TFL and was one of the few Jets who did anything worthwhile. Still has a long way to go.

WR Stephen Hill out with hammy

LB Demario Davis had a nice tackle but he's not starting and is not getting enough plays. Cannot be worse than what we have at LB on pass coverage in all honesty.

S Josh Bush didn't see the field

Altogether, this draft pretty much signifies that Mike Tannebaum our GM really has gotta go.
Tannebaum has been really awful in recent drafts. It kills all the momentum the Jets had after drafting and securing their core 4. The roster as assembled now does not look good, and they have so many holes to fill without any cap space to do it. They really had a shot to take a lead in the overall talent competition between them and the Patriots, but they're to the point now where even sans Brady I think the Pats roster is better than the Jets.
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Tannebaum has been really awful in recent drafts. It kills all the momentum the Jets had after drafting and securing their core 4. The roster as assembled now does not look good, and they have so many holes to fill without any cap space to do it. They really had a shot to take a lead in the overall talent competition between them and the Patriots, but they're to the point now where even sans Brady I think the Pats roster is better than the Jets.
The Jets have a decent core of talent particluarly defensively, however their talent levels at some positions and depth wise is horrible.

Offensively outside of D'Brick and Mangold they don't have a lot to be excited about moving forward. Maybe Hill can develop but that's definitely a ?

Defensively I love their defensive line. Coples, Pouha, DeVito and Muh Wilkerson is pretty nasty. However their back 7 without Revis is not good and depth is a killer, as evident by seeing Joe McKnight get reps at CB and the fact they just signed Aaron Berry.
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Trenton Robinson is the only rookie to dress, so far, for the 49ers. He has seen spot time on Special Teams.
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RG3 hAd his 1st game winning drive
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^ Whatever you were going for, I agree. Graham can get behind people, I just hope the guy chucking the ball can get it to him.
6 weeks later, it is pretty evident that he can not. Wasted weaponry.

And Cordy Glenn could miss a few weeks with an ankle injury, because **** me.
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Zeitler has been really good so far for a rookie.
M. Jones had a decent game.
Burfict had his best game so far.
Still and Thompson had played much better.
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derek wolfe is still getting most of his snaps from the DE position it seems. does next to nothing as far as pass rush is concerned but has been great vs. the run.

ronnie hillman finally got a decent amount of snaps this week. looked about 100x better than knowshon ever has, although that doesn't say much at all.

danny trevathan got some garbage time snaps in the last minutes. omar bolden had a one kick return. really not much to report for the broncos :|
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Bruce Irvin - had his best game last week against Green Bay and has 2.5 sacks on the season through 4 weeks. Think everyone would be happy to see a 10-sack year. That would pretty well justify the pick. He doesn't make many plays against the run. He was shut out of the game statistically against the Rams, and only has 3 total tackles on the year. So basically, he only tackles quarterbacks. Kind of makes me think of the rookie season Mark Anderson had a few years ago. Certainly isn't an every-down player, but he's gotten a few sacks this year and that's all we're asking him to do. So no one in Seattle's complaining.

Bobby Wagner - Starting on a good defense, but hasn't made any really big plays yet. No huge mistakes, though, either. I think I was saying it before the draft, but he really actually reminds me a lot of Aaron Curry. He's not going to lose you any games, you just don't really notice him on the field either. But taking a guy like that in the second round is fine. Fourth overall? Not so much.

Russell Wilson - the coaching staff has been very conservative with their play-calling and have been focusing on the running game. The three interceptions he had yesterday are misleading about how well he's played. He has done what he is expected to do. Of his 4 picks now this season, one was a bomb at the end of a first half, one was in Doug Baldwin's hands before it literally just fell out and into the hands of a defender, and another was, again, an accurate pass where the receiver fell down and there was only a defender there to make the play. He's been accurate and once or twice a game spins out of a collapsing pocket and makes a play. He's making some rookie mistakes, but from my perspective when I see our offense struggling I see it more as a weakness in our receiving corps than anything else. He doesn't have anyone in our offense to be that "security blanket." There's just no one like that, so all things considered I think he's playing pretty well.

Robert Turbin - He runs hard and with a lot of effort, but hasn't seen the field a whole lot yet. It's definitely still Marshawn's job exclusively; no backfield tandems here. I do wonder if as the season goes on they'll try to get him more touches because he does look good on the field, and I'd worry about overworing Marshawn since he's by far our best offensive weapon and if he went down we'd be screwed.
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Massie gave up about 5 sacks and had a couple holds and false starts, fits right in with the rest of the O-Line

Michael Floyd seems to have finally passed Doucet as our #3 WR but is losing some touches to Robert Housler as we tend to go 2 TE > 3 WR
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Rookie RB's:

Alfred Morris: 376 rushing yards, 4.6 ypc, 4 TD's.
Doug Martin : 247 rushing yards, 3.5 ypc, 1 TD.
Trent Richardson: 222 rushing yards, 3.5 ypc, 3 TD's.

Who would have thought so far that a 6th round RB from Florida Atlantic would be outshining the first round rookies. I won't lie and pretend like I knew much about Morris when we drafted him, I actually thought he would be a FB. But the guy is just a complete bowling ball, always going forward always converting short yardage plays, he even showed more speed and wiggle than you'd expect this past week.
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Eagles draft is shaping up to be as good as it looked on paper.
Cox is clearly the most talented DT on the roster. Plays in rotation and i need to rewatch the Giant game but hes done a good job.

Kendricks looks great playing with Ryans, who people need to start talking about again by the way..

Curry has been inactive because of DE depth..Tapp was shopped but teams figured he'd just be cut, he wasnt and has played great..Curry should be ready to step into the rotation when need-be..

Boykin has done a respectable job in the slot and on returns. Plenty of room for improvement but still shaping up as a steal

Foles did what he did in the pre-season and while im still not in love with him thats more than i had ever expected so I'll take it. Still not sure what he means to the team long-term but I'd expect him to get playing time at multiple points in the season, whether Vick takes a bad hit or in a blowout. I think Andy wants/needs to get a look at what he has here ASAP.

Dennis Kelly is technically the swing tackle because of injuries but he was active over Demetress Bell in the first game. To Bell's credit he starts over Kelly now.

Bryce Brown has risen to McCoy's primary back-up and they seem to want to give him a chance to get out there.

McNutt is on the PS after losing out to UDFA Demaris Johnson, who has done an excellent job. Chris Polk was another UDFA gem moved to FB so he could make the roster, now active over Dion Lewis at RB..

And in conclusion, I dedicate this to Brandon Washington, the one who didn't make it
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Rookie RB's:

Alfred Morris: 376 rushing yards, 4.6 ypc, 4 TD's.
Doug Martin : 247 rushing yards, 3.5 ypc, 1 TD.
Trent Richardson: 222 rushing yards, 3.5 ypc, 3 TD's.

Who would have thought so far that a 6th round RB from Florida Atlantic would be outshining the first round rookies. I won't lie and pretend like I knew much about Morris when we drafted him, I actually thought he would be a FB. But the guy is just a complete bowling ball, always going forward always converting short yardage plays, he even showed more speed and wiggle than you'd expect this past week.
Definitely wasn't expected but Morris is fun to watch. He is on pace for 1500 yards and 16 tds...RG3 is on pace for 4200 yards passing, 1000 yards rushing, 32 total touchdowns and 4 ints...
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I guess I should put it here too. 1st quarter of the season stats for the rookie QBs


QB Rating
Name - NFL Rank – Rating 
RG3 – 4th – 103.2
Luck – 24th – 75.4
Wilson – 27th – 73.5
Tannehill – 31st – 66.4
Weeden – 32nd – 60.4

Completion Percentage 
RG3 – 2nd – 69.4%
Wilson – 21st – 60%
Tannehill – 27th – 55.9%
Weeden – 30th – 53.9%
Luck – 31st – 53.3%

Yards per Attempt:
RG3 – 3rd – 8.6
Tannehill – 16th – 7.3
Luck – 21st – 6.9
Weeden – 30th – 6.0
Wilson – 31st – 5.9
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Whining about getting hit:

Name - NFL Rank - Rating
RG3 - 1st - whiny *****
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Travis Benjamin looks like the next in a long line of Miami playmakers.
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