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Old 09-28-2012, 07:37 PM    (permalink
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It's probably a scooter.
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player motivation? thats ******* hilarious
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I wanted to post on topic but this threw me all off lol. Nicely played.
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I don't think we've heard of Jamarcus working out for a team even one time. He has/had no desire to play after getting paid. Super talent, his arm strength actually overshadows that when he cared, he was a good QB as well.
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Most competent NFL QBs can win with a good supporting cast around them. Would you spend the tip pick on Matt Schaub, Matt Cassel, or Alex Smith? With #1 overall pick, you want someone who can consistently carry a team on his shoulders. Barkley is not that guy. His upside is hanging outside that top 12 group of QBs.
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Most competent NFL QBs can win with a good supporting cast around them. Would you spend the tip pick on Matt Schaub, Matt Cassel, or Alex Smith? With #1 overall pick, you want someone who can consistently carry a team on his shoulders. Barkley is not that guy. His upside is hanging outside that top 12 group of QBs.
Alex Smith WAS a #1 overall pick
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Yeah, but in hindsight, he never would have been drafted that high.
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Yeah, but in hindsight, he never would have been drafted that high.
Well they do say hindsight is 20/20
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vs Syracuse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYjR...U&feature=plcp

vs Stanford: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiBz...Q&feature=plcp

I've heard somebody compare him to Marc Bulger, and I think that fits to be honest. He can be good in the right situation, but limited tools are going to keep him from being the foundation of an offense I think.

He does a lot of advanced stuff pre-snap and SC runs some pretty sophisticated pass concepts, though (way moreso than during the Leinart or Sanchez eras).
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They were saying at the time that he should not have been drafted that high. He projected mid first round. SF decided they needed the best QB available and took Smith. Rodgers was the close 2nd best, poor guy.

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They were saying at the time that he should not have been drafted that high.
Who is "they"? "They" don't draft players. NFL teams do. "They" think every QB who's not an Andrew Luck level prospect is overrated. "They" though Matt Ryan, Sam Bradford, Matt Stafford, Cam Newton, etc., etc. were all drafted too high.
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Who is "they"? "They" don't draft players. NFL teams do. "They" think every QB who's not an Andrew Luck level prospect is overrated. "They" though Matt Ryan, Sam Bradford, Matt Stafford, Cam Newton, etc., etc. were all drafted too high.
Places like this. On air pundits. IIRC the ST 49ers admitted they were reaching, but they felt it was necessary.

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They were saying at the time that he should not have been drafted that high. He projected mid first round. SF decided they needed the best QB available and took Smith. Rodgers was the close 2nd best, poor guy.

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This is totally off.

Thruought the whoke process it was widely known it was either Smith or Rodgers at #1. It was also said whoever wasn't picked would slide. That's exactly what happened. But no one said they were mid-1st picks that got reached on. Everyone and their mothdr knew one of them would go first.
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Barkley isn't playing up to the hype because that's all he was before this year; hype.

I beat this drum constantly over the summer, he just isn't that talented. His physical skills are lacking and his deep ball velocity leaves a lot to be desired. When he has put up numbers, it's generally him just utilizing his great talent.

The guy is Brian Brohm 2.0.
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Brian Brohm 2.0 hahaha

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Brian Brohm 2.0 hahaha

I'm sorry the USC fan can't see it, but it's the truth.

Both overhyped as juniors, so their stock drop big as seniors, have great mechanics that make people think "oh, that makes up for his lack of physical tools." It doesn't though, and the sooner people understand that, the better so they stop overrating future clipboard holders like Barkley.

I hear Brohm is doing well in the UFL. Maybe Barkley can find professional success there...
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Ok well how is Barkley any different from say Matt Ryan who was considered fairly limited as a prospect (not a strong arm, average mobility). He left a lot to be desired too his Senior year throwing 19 interceptions to 31 tds.

Plus, it's not like Barkley is completely imploding. He really only had one really bad game. You can tell from freshman - sophmore - junior years his improving as a qb.


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The way the game is played right now suits a player like Barkley. Timing and accuracy trumps pure arm strength. Guys like Schaub are extremely effective.
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I'm sorry the USC fan can't see it, but it's the truth.

Both overhyped as juniors, so their stock drop big as seniors, have great mechanics that make people think "oh, that makes up for his lack of physical tools." It doesn't though, and the sooner people understand that, the better so they stop overrating future clipboard holders like Barkley.

I hear Brohm is doing well in the UFL. Maybe Barkley can find professional success there...
Lol I like that your argument hinges on the ASSUMPTION that I'm an SC fan. I don't really tie myself to any one school.

But its all good. You're track record has led me to take anything and everything you say with a bottle of salt.
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I'm sorry the USC fan can't see it, but it's the truth.

Both overhyped as juniors, so their stock drop big as seniors, have great mechanics that make people think "oh, that makes up for his lack of physical tools." It doesn't though, and the sooner people understand that, the better so they stop overrating future clipboard holders like Barkley.

I hear Brohm is doing well in the UFL. Maybe Barkley can find professional success there...
so if you have great mechanics, you're automatically gonna have a brian brohm turn out?
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I still see Barkley as a starting NFL QB. I don't think it's reasonable to expect every QB to have to CARRY an offense.

A QB is supposed to be like a great PG; make good decisions and get the ball to his playmakers.

I think Barkley can do this better than most.

He's going to have the same issues as Bradford, in that if you don't give him a quality Oline and talent at the skill positions, his skills are never going to shine.
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I still see Barkley as a starting NFL QB. I don't think it's reasonable to expect every QB to have to CARRY an offense.

A QB is supposed to be like a great PG; make good decisions and get the ball to his playmakers.

I think Barkley can do this better than most.

He's going to have the same issues as Bradford, in that if you don't give him a quality Oline and talent at the skill positions, his skills are never going to shine.
Translation: He's not good enough to make the players around him better. If you're drafting a QB in the late first round or lower this is one thing, if you're taking him first overall you're just going to be keep drafting that high for the considerable future.
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Ok well how is Barkley any different from say Matt Ryan who was considered fairly limited as a prospect (not a strong arm, average mobility). He left a lot to be desired too his Senior year throwing 19 interceptions to 31 tds.

Plus, it's not like Barkley is completely imploding. He really only had one really bad game. You can tell from freshman - sophmore - junior years his improving as a qb.

In Matt Ryan's defense, he wasn't surrounded by NFL caliber talent at running back or receiver...Barkley is playing with the best wide receiver duo in the entire nation
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This is totally off.

Throughout the whole process it was widely known it was either Smith or Rodgers at #1. It was also said whoever wasn't picked would slide. That's exactly what happened. But no one said they were mid-1st picks that got reached on. Everyone and their mother knew one of them would go first.
Almosr every thing you said (fixed some for you) agrees with what I said. The 49ers were taking a mid rounder, knew it, admitted it and did it anyway.

Everyone and the mother in law's, sister's dog knew that the 49ers were taking a QB. They also knew there was no worthy QB in the draft pool. Ergo they knew it was a reach, admit it or no. Admitting a reach is a PR issue.

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Almosr every thing you said (fixed some for you) agrees with what I said. The 49ers were taking a mid rounder, knew it, admitted it and did it anyway.

Everyone and the mother in law's, sister's dog knew that the 49ers were taking a QB. They also knew there was no worthy QB in the draft pool. Ergo they knew it was a reach, admit it or no. Admitting a reach is a PR issue.

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In hindsight the Niners would trade down and draft Aaron Rodgers. I shudder to think.
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